Amanda Knox, Officer, John Douglas discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory


Just before the bottom of the hour. We were talking with John Douglas about serial killer police officers in that motif gets used all the time doesn't it about, you know, mostly in works of fiction about you. And I were not so different. You know, the killer tells the cop and the cop feels wonder one way or another about it. And but that that I think the idea of the, you know, cops and robbers that they're much more connected than they more common than they don't where are you with that? You were just talking about a case of a police officer who had committed serious crimes using the cover of the bad. Yeah. We we we didn't have a whole lot of those cases. I had a case out of San Diego where a a police officer who would teach rape possession ended up being a a rapist, and we're able to Lincoln forensically through a badge the fibers from. The basil. Badge on the victims that we got into the interrogation and were able to get that confession out of him. A big one. We did part of our thirty six serial killers. In the initial study was got him Gerald Shafer in Florida balanced from department to department small departments and and get rid of him. But they give him a good recommendation. Just so they can get get rid of him. He ended up getting caught. He he picked up two girls hitchhiking in his police vehicle took them to motel later on it came back. The next day to pick them up his personal car on his personal car. You had a trailer hitch and his thing would be sexual hanging. So he took these girls out into no. Oh, gosh. Girls got away got away. And then arrest was made. Then the search search was done of residents. We had diaries where he wrote about some freedoms crimes at the police never really tied anything to him. They found some Keith belonging to victims as well in search warrant. So he was good. He was convicted them onto they Lincoln liking about thirty thirty. And he was killed in nineteen ninety-five another inmate stabs into death in prison down in Florida. So when you hear that would you hear something like that does that bring you some sense of relief for Justice, or how do you how do you process that? Yeah. I I've I have when it comes to death valley. I've changed a little bit a little bit here. I was on a panel two weeks ago, New York with Amanda Knox. I helped them in the next get out of prison in Italy. And also heard of the case the west Memphis three. Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah. Case for co series. And so I helped they mean Damien Echols was on the path. And Joe Berlinger was on the panel with mixed. I helped him get out of prison with Peter Jackson director Lord of the rings. Brought me in at the time. Everything was secret along with this group of forensic. You know, you know, experts. So you see cases like that. And now that I'm out of the bureau. I couldn't do these kind of cases in the bureau, but now out of euro, I've been helping on cases where I see false. Confessions have been than given by innocent people wrongful wrongful convictions like in the west Memphis three like Amanda Knox with where they bring in a tag team match the case of man that I've actually brought in ten police officers. Detectives who were interrogator attack team over forty hours to break down. And I always say an innocent person is easy to ensure gate. Than than the criminal himself or herself because the innocent person when they're curated like this by some say corrupt the investigator. They think the person being targeted that this will be over here that come out. I get my attorney they'll know that. But meanwhile, you can fast or you've you've signed a confession and problem too. Is that it should be required everywhere, including FBI FBI doesn't use. This is is the Cape tape the interrogation tape, the interviews. And I mean from the beginning to the end not not turning the tape record on after you got the con- because even or a scrupulous cop right facts of the case. Now, you regurgitating back. So all the jurors will hear is. Oh, yeah. Purser? He knew everything about the case. So. Him. Right. So. I changed. But when I see predatory types and his all kinds of evidence that we have all. Not just I witnessed testimony or some jailhouse snitch or something like that. That. Yeah. I I I worry, and I get a lot of calls from people are saying because my attitude when I when people say, oh, yeah. Prisons are full innocent. You know, people kinda sarcastically. But they are we have a case in Virginia here Norfolk four four four navy then independently confessed to a crime they had nothing to do with. And they got a confession. But then his DNA didn't match. But then they got him to give another navy man's name cough up a name. They did an interrogation the DNA. Did this what do four they got four actions? And the guys went to prison for years, and he finally got out not too many years ago. Joseph in Boston has a follow up question about police officers. Don't know why Joseph you're talking with John Douglas on coast to coast AM. And I wanna say hi to my friends this shade, tree, computer. Yes. I'm here. A blind person. We have a police officer a lot of them. Can you give your contact info out of the end? 'cause I don't I'm not too good. In case people need, we have a lot of people in prison that are innocent. What does one do when one is going to be questioned because I know police officer. I don't know personally. I saw the video that killed a guy that was in a fire, and he rammed and Ray he wasn't response. He blood all over this. And he was doing this in the way. This is said he did nothing and there were other police officers Ozark tastes the guy on the ground nineteen times one handle it. And if we ever get arrested. What should we do if especially for innocent and questions? Go ahead talk. You don't talk you. I don't care if it's your pulled over for traffic stop. I would tell my own children as you go. And and say, I want to have an attorney won't have it in Terni ITO represent right away. I'm not saying there is a small percentage and every look at the FBI as well. We have we have we'll have David Hanson, Robert hand says name gave information. Yeah. To russia. I mean, if you should not be taken to a room interrogated, you should require requests, you wanna speak to your your attorney as soon as soon as. Innocent. This will come out. But, but you know, you can manipulate the the nippy late someone either confessed do be browbeaten and a lot of initial people won't request an attorney. They don't think explain it to them. And but the tactics to us. I mean, you can be vulnerable. I mean, I've seen so many cases and or people even like Amanda stage with her just so people think she's guilty. There was no forensic evidence. Lincoln case, it was one guy. Rudy. Good day is. Forensics, bloody prints thing. Prince the fecal matter in the toilet. It's him. It's nine Amanda. It's not Ravi else. Licio the boyfriend nothing nothing the west Memphis three. They they ensure ah the kid with a seventy two I q you told them. There was cheese on the moon. Any would have agreed with you? And they broke them broke this down. He had nothing nothing to do. None. None of the crime. But they spent eighteen years in prison Damian spent ten on death row when they were finally freed, and unfortunately, the I I spoke to the district attorney says what do they want? What are they want? They want to be exonerated. And he says, well, I don't know. I don't know about that. What do you need? Why didn't know about exonerating because he was running for political office and. He was. Looking for, you know, this is so we're talking with John Douglas. You'll have a few more minutes, and then we'll get to open lines. But I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you at the very end of follow up question from this. But first, let's get to sue in Atlanta on a wildcard line on coast to coast AM for John Douglas, sue. Thanks for the completely creepy. Sound from silence of the lambs? I have a question for you. If I were your daughter or your little sister. What advice would you tell me to look out for or are these thick in just in the wrong place at around? No. I sometimes are. I mean, if you're you're. Interstate your car breaks down. And here comes the good Samaritan. And and offers you a ride you went from a low Ristic than we would write it up if you were murder a low risk victim. But the minute you went into vehicle that you didn't know who the person was in this car, you increase your your level too high risk high risk them. I tell my daughters, and because it affects me working with these crazy people have three three children when they were younger. I was very kind of overprotective of them. But but one of the things if you were dating if you're on some internet site match dot com or something like that the question my mother used to tell my sister. And she's exactly right. It's it's. If look to see what the relationship there exist between the person you like they just mail, and the the mother see what this relationship is like what he thinks of the mother how that mother really has some women get mad say this. But but what about the father all the father is important its mother NFL. But but Antonio cases of violent cases that we've seen we've seen that there is this dysfunctional. There is issues between the mother and the father almost eight the mother and the the sun, and that would be something a question to you know, to ask when I go walking or out, I'm always looking for potential problems, and I'll see girl with a headset on and she's walking around in a park. Someone can come right up on her. And she's listening to music can come right up on an attacker, and she would know. What what hitter? And so you just have to be careful, and these guys can tell you they can go in a bar, and they could they could see a bunch of women sitting on a barstools, and they can pick out the the girl that's having problems, maybe depressed. She's away. She's drinking our body posture. How she's sitting sitting at the bar and they'll move in. They could move in like a like a like jaws like. And like we said earlier in the hill comes the the Knight in shining Arbor. They can they can size people up pretty yeah. Pretty darn quick. So you're on a bar. I don't be alone. You better be with friends and the friends Betty he- all take care of each other. And look after each other. High-risk position. This back though to that idea of archetypes in you don't have to buy into it. But the the that idea of what is learned for little girls, or as other people talking about that a lot of these stories are really intended for for tweens for for people to have in your mind as you're going out into the world is your is your entering into young womanhood, or or or old hood, the little red riding hood motif of the wolf that then changes in order to lure. So the wolf is unsuccessful in the woods. But then you know, becomes the grandma in order to lure the girl. And she of course, but even the Hutzel and gretel motif..

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