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He's in anchorage, Alaska, and Benjamin before break, you were sharing the irony of captain James cook in that even though his name is listed in so many places there in Alaska monuments and such. He actually didn't really have a huge impact there beyond just having his namesake all over the place. And so many discussions now throughout the country statues and monuments and things like that. And are there moves or efforts to change the names of some of these locations in Alaska cook inlet among them? As well as there's a statue of cook in anchorage as well. And what's the response there with some of those namesakes, those monuments, those names all over the state. And so cooking lit, he does have a statue here. And there is a movement to try and get rid of it. But one thing that is important when you're thinking about removing statues of these figures, especially someone like James cook is to remember that just getting rid of statue. Or the symbol, these physical symbols isn't enough. There has to be an education that the area that you are at is denied a land. That we've been here for, we've been here forever. And while this is a piece of art history, it's a very, very short and small piece of our history. And so having that view of yes, we can remove these symbols. That is important. But it's also really important to change the narrative to change the story. To the truth is that we have always been here. As native peoples. And that our view of the land. Has to be there in order to actually tell the full story. And what's it going to take? To change that narrative as you describe it. For the most part, education. A big part is understand. And a big view of among the line of non natives. That I've heard time and time again is anchorage has never really been a native place. When that's just simply not true. And so education is a really big reality. But there also has to be the changing of this colonial mindset that this place has been an untouched land. All that also with the education of the personhood of indigenous peoples. A big thing that you see over in cook's writings is really trying to analyze kind of the levels of savagery. Of different indigenous peoples. While he may say one group is really strong, he might like down upon another group. Which is really rebellion over all along the northwest coast within his own writings. And so changing that narrative that indigenous peoples have personhood is also a really big issue as well. Alrighty, let's go ahead and go to the phones now. We have Nicole listening in Gallup, New Mexico, on station, KG, LP, hello Nicole. Well, good morning, good afternoon to you all. I'm a very proud proactive great grandmother that's involved in policy and politics. But what I wanted to encourage is that not to really focus on mister cook, but you know, just like here in the Navajo Nation, what I'm trying to do is work with the new bow at migrant administration to change fort wingate the name fort wingate and all the forts or anything derogatory like Carson and fort de France. To change that to a beautiful Navajo resilience, strong name like Lincoln, it would be the toll putting strong Navajo in bear springs. So I'm trying to change something negative that is into something that's very, very positive. And then once I get done with Navajo Nation, I want to go to basket redundant, work with the tribes down there and change that as well. Alrighty. Well, Nicole, thank you for sharing that information. I hope you're enjoying our show today and yeah, it certainly does these issues with names. So many native communities as well as the Navajo Nation and what we're learning about today with the legacy of captain James cook and the Pacific as well as parts of Alaska. I'd like to go back to doctor Keanu Tsai again and there's so many other aspects of cook's legacy beyond just his interactions with native people and some of the issues we're talking about today and one thing that I think is important to note is that he was also very well known as a cartographer in making maps and I know there were even maps that he created all those years ago that we're still in use by some sailors as recently as like the 1970s even into the 1980s I think and what about that side of cook's legacy doctor sy, his ability to make maps and just some of these other contributions for better or worse that he made to the world. No, that's a good point because Hawaii would be impacted by that. So what cook brought to the mapping issue is longitude latitude, right? Bracketing. And that makes things more precise. You can find things. So when he mapped the Pacific, he also made it where other ships can find Hawaii to get to get refreshments to get water, get refurbished and then they go back out and then many of them were whalers. So Hawaii was inundated with the wailing