I used to love be booksellers. When did you do there. Oh lord you're going back to nineteen eighty you know my my parents and family moved down there with my dad. Got transferred and It was as close by. I a job there. You know and ended up for the tunnel. Always there Started out in the back room. Receiving the books getting them all the labels and stickers and stuff and putting them out and then got beyond the register in that kind of stuff you know so ended up stocking and working that i love being down there because it was right down the street from the windmill dinner theater and a lot of actors came through doing plays there and a few of my she stop in the store to buy some stuff excellent but i got instilled in reading. Men was watching spenser for hire series on television. And one of the ladies that worked percent if you love the show who should read the books to read in the books and behold from their own. Isn't it interesting. How things often start with television I know that my love's mystery started with watching honey west way back in the day now going back more. Yeah but yeah. It's just funny. I'll have like that. You know when i got into reading rubber parker than but display in john d. Macdonald's just went from there and you know is started loving whatever. I can get my hands on all. Great stuffs well Tell us about arthur nikai. He's an interesting character. An excellent reign of former member of the special ice unit and a native american correct. Exactly how did you come up with this character not to mention his wife. Who's a news reporter. I thought that was interesting. Please tell us more. Sure i mean i. I started thinking about developing i. I took a two week vacation out there. And i traveled the route. That's in the book. So whatever i saw one that way dictated into a tape recorder and came back and transpose. It all down. You know this sort of developing characters and backstories the characters and I stumbled across. I wanted to be different in a lot of ways and other writers out there writing about that and not not as far as police goes or whatever it may be you know. But i developed arthur nikai based on my love for our kalashnikov by the native american flute player. And at the time. One of my friends. Where i worked a million years ago. It seems like now Whose first thing with arthur. So i liked the way that rain together. So i use that they'll to character that As far as his. Wife sharon goes. I actually was texting back and forth in the mornings with one of the local reporters in the nbc station here and chicago and Wanted to ask her some questions about you. Know what you give up to have this life you have. I wanted to make her real and things that happen In their life once you have that job while things you don't get to do You miss a lot of birthdays. Anniversaries you're always on the air doing something you know so. She helped out a lot with that. And i developed that curator of the other ones of jake. Bill cody which is loosely based on my grandfather large barrel chested man. You know With that so i start molding these people into what i i have now needs really interesting the way your travels informed your fiction writing. So yeah i. What was the whole plan to do that. Because you know you can't just look online and find pictures and things and do things and men do searches. you have to be there. And that's what i found out a long time ago. I told on hillerman once at the her father helped me understand the importance of descriptive sentencing. You know surrounding sect place I think robert parker helped me develop a dialogue kind of conversations in books. So i use those along with that. I had to be there. You have the smell that you have to see to taste it and feel the heat feel the cold in order to convey that to the reader in the book and a lot of people who have read my books feel like they're right there in the situation in the area. I love that.