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And believe me, our investigation of the group that is instigating. This is not over. It is very intense. We understand what's coming. We also understand. God that if we allow these groups to gather after dark, we will suffer the same fate. As other cities. Other cities did not issue the curfew was early. They did not respond as a forcefully as a city of Detroit it and they had much worse nights, but he asked. He hinted there that they're looking into who might be behind this, and we talked with Mayor Duggan earlier. They're not giving up what they have learned through those investigations, At least not yet. Others have said. It's antifa. So we reached out to Sara Ganim. She's a longtime journalists did a long for peace with CNN called unmasking the leftist Antifa movement. She joins us live this afternoon, Sarah. It's good to have you here. I understand. You were born in Detroit. I wass. Thank you so much for having me It's always a pleasure to talk. Ah, Teo and fellow journalists in my town of my birth and where I spent, you know, a formidable years. Good. Well here. Here's the thing. I don't know what if you've been following what happened here, but Roughly 75% of the arrests over the last three nights were people that were from the suburbs are out of state. We saw distribution of railroad spikes, bricks and those supplies were resupplied M 80 firecrackers. These people refused to give reporters their names. When they were questioned. Traditional black activist try to intercede they were ignored or threatened. Some wore black face coverings, black face coverings. Who do you think is hijacking the protest here in Detroit based on your experience? Well, you know, I have to say it's very difficult and that's like that's been the thing that has prompted the reporting knighted but also has been dogging people who are asking Which is who are the people behind these protests behind these masks? The whole entire image hinges on anonymity. They don't want people to know who they are exactly and part of that. And they admit that, by the way that is part of their platform is being anonymous, remaining anonymous, covering their faces will before a time when that was the norm. And, you know, part of that is because a lot of the tactics used our criminal on but but then, and and I've interviewed people who have been part of this movement for a long time. We'll say like, Yeah, we admit we do not were hiding from cameras were hiding from police were hiding from the media. We don't We don't want them to know who we are. Because some of their tactics are nontraditional. Andi. They also say that this comes from a movement where they're going, They believe they're going further than Traditional law enforcement will go to count her movement on the other side, a movement of white supremacy that they believe are also engaging in similar tactics. So the idea that from their point of view is that they're meeting the violence with violence. They're meeting the anonymity with anonymity. And they're trying to rectify that doesn't lead. In a lot of these cases to violence, and we've seen that over and over and over again going back decades, And in more recent history, you contract that backto a lot of these major protest movement. But a lot of your colleagues and my former colleagues that were on the ground during these. The civil disruptions last three nights have not reported seeing the tiki torches or the swastikas. Or the screwdriver, T shirts or that you know the the all right white supremacist signatures that we normally look for. Are. These is antifa, maybe changing its tactics here. I think what works against them with their narrative, which they say is altruistic, Great, But what works against them is that this aspect of violence is really visible. And until they sort of remedy that and decide what kind of Tactics. They're going to use that kind of group. They're going to be that's going to continue to hurt their image. Whether or not you know their intentions as a as a group or some of their intentions are good. I will say that when you talk to people on the other side of the people that they're supposed fighting The's tactics do seem to be working against groups, white supremacist groups. It's when you see violence against establishments and you know people who are who are clearly not in the street ready for a fight. That's where I think their message clearly going to ask you, and that does not Bring people in the center over to their point of view. It works against them, but I think there's a group. They've made a calculation that they believe that it works well enough for them that they're going to continue to do this. What I find interesting, though, is that I mean, the president Eiji Bar have called out Antifa by name, but others air speaking about them. Almost euphemistically. I want you to listen to what A mayor Muriel Bowser answered in a question from Craig Melvin on this morning's Today Shall cut three. Please. Mike usually.

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