Irving Massey, Mary, Jim Sus discussed on Bookworm



I would only say once again that you were there at a somewhat different time to my own experience was that of a hotbed of intellectual activity that was also marked by a certain kind of cultivated indifference on the part of the professors. In other words, they thought that you were supposed to be learning on your own and they were there to perhaps auto you into some of the secrets, but you were supposed to be learning it. They weren't necessarily supposed to be teaching you. You're now trae case in point is a seminar that Jim and I were together that was orchestrated by Irving Massey, and I recall that. I think that the class was stencil class in the history of critical theory. The way that that class was structured was that there were many books that we were asked to read and expect to read, but we never discussed those books in the seminar. The seminar was about being present to Irving as he worked on his then idea that he was developing across the course of the several months which had to do with the nature of metaphor. And the understanding was that we would be reading all of the books that he was suggesting we read in order to be able to be present to the thinking that he was doing and from there develop, obviously our own thoughts at was a theoretical hotbed, I would say, and in it wasn't only one. John of theory wasn't only deconstruction also psychoanalysis. It was the, it had the center for the psychoanalytic study of the arts. That was one of the things that drew me and I think Mary as well. But it wasn't the only thing that I paid attention to while I was there. And I think that by the second or third year, I began to feel pulled. In at least two directions in terms of the conflict. My guest Jean Walton was discovering that while she was there, she tells us in her say she was trying to be as many different types of sexual person that she could discover herself able to be absolutely. And in the course of it, like my other two guests, she discovered that she was coming out as queer and it wasn't a, but it wasn't a simple. Oh, I've been being straight all along. And now I'm coming out of my closet into the world of clearness. It was more like the way I put it was that I had to go through a very long training period with lots of different people util in your essay, which is the second of the book. The first is Jim sus, which I feel has its feet on the ground. The second s. Essay is gene says, say where she is beginning to retreat into a dialogue with herself and with her mentors to see who she is and who she may be an imagine, reading this essay about a graduate student who discovers after having an affair with one for professors, but she is in fact and law in love with one of her fellow students a woman and that they no longer of as soon as they encounter it. In fact, they know it so well that how many years later we don't usually count, give me something like thirty five. Yeah, it's like they're five years later. This intimation that they had fallen in love. Holds true to the stay. I think Mary knew she had fallen in love. I was skeptical for a long time. Much more. Mary was a poet and you. You were trying to see whether the cycle good approach to literature could solve the problems of Goodrich implicitly of life. So you wanted much. Marry whose essay is the last in the book. And I would say if this book has been designed to take you from the ground of who we are, where we are, what we are to who we might be hormone, I can you tell me why on can I tell me who I am? But this book is the history of the education of spirit by three riders who want different planes paticipating in that education. The book is called buffalo trace of threefold five ration-. My authors are married pillow, James Morrison, gene Wolton, the publisher is Spartans Ivo will continue after this short break..

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