Dr Gupta, Social Isolation, Beuys discussed on The Electorette Podcast


Social isolation has been something that we were really nervous to talk about at the beginning. I thought you know, I've I've wanted to say for a long time like because of mass incarceration women are dying. And I'm not just talking about, you know, women who are dying inside jail cells like Sandra black. Land. I'm talking about that. This is an issue that is that is even larger. I'm looking at women like vanita Browder who, you know, not too long after her son who was incarcerated in Rikers island pretrial as a teenager for something that was laid her, you know, he was later case was later dismissed, you know, he suffered over thousand days inside adult facility where he was tortured in Beuys and left very different than he came in in such a negative way that he took his own life. Right. And that story that is the story that we hear about when think about Crete trial reform bail reform, the kind of atrocities of our fail system, but we fail for whatever reason to mention that within a very short time period later, his mother dies of what news reports would come to say of growth in heart. You know, she should be counted in the casualties of this of the w-. War on drugs of mass incarceration in our kind of addiction to locking people up and throwing away. The key new one of the things that always stayed with me was the personal accounts of women who had incarcerated loved ones, right? The words. Lonely 'isolation, you know, Kip reading that over and over again, and you know, that was that was a theme being incarcerated it breaks up communities, and it's intended to isolate people from society mean that that's the whole point, you know. But what that means is that everyone who's peripheral to them. You know, they also experience this isolation, right? There are also isolated innocence. Even though they aren't locked up. There's this sense of Gould by association. Also, one other point is that, you know, talking about women's loneliness just talking about women's loneliness. Generally, you run the risk when you bring that up of people dismissing it as being a non issue or not important. You know, talking about loneliness is unimportant retraite, right? Actually in the concepts of something is big is criminal Justice. You know, people only want to talk about this in the context of policy or legislation or or the cost of it. And they the kind of wanted to remove the emotional element of it. You know, but you just you just can't do that. You know? So I commend you for highlighting that piece of the struggle. So I want to say about this is that it was really hard to talk about at first that this was a women's crisis. I was afraid to tell people like, you know, there's this loneliness. There's isolated I was afraid that what people would say would be like, oh, you know. So what? And why is that such a big deal? You know, you know, women are lonely, and we know that so often when you're talking about a women's health in general, it gets minimize and disregarded. If it's paid attention to at all it's last on the agenda. Right. We know this is the pattern and so thinking about trying to uplift women with incarcerated loved ones as representing. A major crisis in women's health was an uphill climb. Because of the context and the stigma attached to having a loved one behind bars in the first place in so a couple of things change that. I think one was actually the passing of Anita Browder was that we were able to say like look here is an example of what we see all of the time. We are seeing these kinds of mental health effects that look like suicidality that look like, you know, severe depression, which if you understand what's happening because of mass incarceration is is understandable, unexpected perhaps. But but for some reason, we're not discussing it. I'm in the second thing that happened was that I was fortunate enough to have an opportunity to hear the former surgeon general of this country, speak Dr Gupta, and when he spoke he talked so persuasively about and from a deep sense of conviction about the fact that today in the United States are health crisis is one of isolated. Of loneliness. He said we have a crisis of loneliness..

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