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Period of kings our outlook is quite distinct and different king king believes in the American promise yeah he has a belief in American exceptionalism into he holds out a response from this hold on if you've got your eyes an intellectual out say king understands and has been reading Marxism he's been reading the black social gospel he really learns more about Gandhi in a practical way through BYOD Rustin but he had listened to Howard Thurman he had listened to Benjamin Mays is a great book about morning to king junior in the black social gospel tradition so that black social gospel tradition is very important because it's an it's a it's both black but it's open to interracial coalitions and it's very last in the social democratic way that's connected to pacifism we've got people like AJ musty we've got the great and brilliant Ella Baker priest Nick who's part of the fellowship of reconciliation we've got the Congress of racial equality empire Rustan's so it is this lasted in we're talking about the nineteen forty this interracial laughed that is interested in radical democracy changes absolutely invested in that but like you said earlier the Cold War liberalism of the nineteen fifties one of the things that scholars have shown in people's lives through this now is that it's a more radical time United States of America in nineteen forty three and it is in nineteen fifty three democracy and racial justice in progress are not linear there are starts and stops R. fits and starts in real setback so ten years later from nineteen forty three to fifty three it is catastrophic not just for the left but for American democracy and for justice and for human rights so you're in a worse situation in nineteen fifty four may seventeenth when the brown decision the desegregation decision is passed then you were in nineteen forty four nineteen forty four is much more hopeful nineteen forty four so hopeful you're thinking you might get black senators and governors by the nineteen fifties that's how hopeful that is and that's what Paul Robeson is in Peekskill ten twelve fifteen thousand but then there's two thousand white said premises who also marched in rice in Peekskill right so you're getting the Truman doctrine the Marshall Plan these are all white supremacist plans to structure a new global mortar that anti black that's anti human that rest on racial segregation in the in the the rations of black and brown people globally and that order wins again you're listening to a Neil Joseph Walker of the sword and the shield the rebels revolutionary lives of Malcolm X. and Martin Luther king junior will be opening up the phone lines all in about five minutes or so at six oh eight two five six two thousand and one extension nine sugar questions or comments one thing's interesting me very much in the in the book peel Joseph is mean that both men Malcolm Ian Martin acquired an internationalist perspective we will move to it somewhat but both traveled abroad portents of battle a little bit further yeah you know for MalcolmX mean if they wanted to bet I have about Malcolm it's Malcolm and with with Cassius clay before his Muhammad Ali in nineteen sixty four at the United Nations after Cassius clay has won the heavyweight championship of the world against Sonny Liston in February of sixty four and what's interesting about that is that Malcolm has a long history with the United Nations Malcolm had first travelled overseas in nineteen fifty nine and he went to the Middle East for five weeks in preparation of Donna belies Muhammad Sajjad trip to Mecca he meets up with Anwar el Sadat who's been vice president of Egypt the future president of Egypt he meets up with all these different diplomats he's in Cairo he's in cartoon he's he's really writing back to black newspapers that the folks who are in the Middle East and Africa are on the side of civil rights and on the side of black freedom struggles and racial justice so in nineteen sixty MalcolmX meets with Fidel Castro in September of nineteen sixty eight the Theresa hotel in Harlem he he he meets up with Kwame Nkrumah the prime minister of Ghana he's meeting up with all these different ambassadors and their deputies and their apparatchiks all throughout the early nineteen sixties so Malcolm is taking this idea of band dong in this idea of revolutionary pan Africanism this idea of third world revolutionary transformation and he's really making it practical he's connecting these alliances he's writing to these ambassadors so by the time he goes overseas for twenty four weeks twenty five weeks in nineteen sixty four five weeks from April to may twenty first of sixty four and then from July thirteenth to November twenty first nineteen sixty four he is in everywhere from Tanzania to Nigeria to Liberia he's in Cairo for the conference the organization of African unity conference he's he's all over the place trying to build alliances and Malcolm has access to offices in the United Nations via his friendships with Africa and the Middle East and third world diplomats right so Malcolm his notion of sort of this this political revolution that's connected to connecting the local to the global is very very practical when he goes to United when he goes to Africa in nineteen sixty four he said it at all these different universities he's allowed to speak to people's different nation states an African political kingdoms legislatures he meets with with sitting presidents and prime ministers so you really a rise in Africa and sixty four as a statesman and that's when he's talking about turning the civil rights movement into human rights movement he's saying that he's going to go to the United Nations and charge the United States with violating the human rights of African Americans and certainly that's something that the black freedom movement and Langston Hughes reminds him had been trying to do in the nineteen forties we think about we charge genocide and worked at the council on African affairs and people like Ella Baker Lorraine Hansberry so many different people were doing Paul Robeson DU bois he's trying to resurrect that black internationalist on tradition when we think about Dr king doctor king goes to Donna king meets with incriminating fifty seven he is they're winning crewmen becomes prime minister any rights in these very moved by including a accepting the prime ministership in the same clothes that he been imprisoned incarcerated with in the nineteen forties is being part of a convention people's party he spent a month in India in nineteen fifty nine doctor king he meets up with untouchables and looks at the racial caste systems in India and really comes to believe right there have been a Tiffany in nineteen fifty nine that is mission in life is really to end global poverty and you see the connection between racial caste systems globally and and poverty you know when we think about king king's internationalism continues he meets up with Ben Bella Dan president of Algeria in nineteen sixty two booking is much more invested in nonviolent revolutionary so Malcolm is really the man of that age because so many of those anti colonial movements are violent our our our violent ourselves defensive I think kings with internationalism resurrects in the context of both winning the Nobel Prize in nineteen sixty four going to Scandinavia and I have a nice a nice vignette where Malcolm is in the audience December seventeenth nineteen sixty four Harlem Nelson Rockefeller governor of New York all these people or their Malcolm sit next to Andy young future mayor of Atlanta future United Nations ambassador and United States ambassador or did you end and you know he's listening to king's entire speech and speaks positively of it a few days later and king really the internationalism that Malcolm really really an anti colonialism that he rift reflects and represents an personifies because Malcolm came out against the Vietnam War as early as nineteen sixty four king really comes out really during the last year of his wife when that context I say there's a radical king and then there's a revolutionary king which in the last two chapters in the April fourth nineteen sixty four riverside address but he's really taken from Malcolm and Stockley Carmichael historically have been the biggest anti war protester up until king comes out against the Vietnam War but that riverside speech where he said the United States and the greatest purveyor of violence in the world and he says that how can people tell me to be nonviolent when I'm demonstrating in the south but when I say the United States should be non violent to little Vietnamese children they say I'm being a traitor that that is a brilliant speech and what he does is the link the failures of the great society to the war mongering and the war machine that is being built up and Vietnam is very interesting for all of us were Americans because even though you have the Korean War Vietnam starts the conflicts of perpetual war that we've been in for the last fifty five years we've never stopped warmonger never here's a link king changed clothes out the president United States the U. S. Congress can from the time you start calling them out he lives only one more year so the riverside speech is the year to the day of his assassination six PM Memphis time on Thursday April fourth fourth nineteen sixty eight did you listen to Neil Joseph the story of Joseph sword and the shield the revolutionary lines of Malcolm X. and Martin Luther king Jr with a question or a comment since the call two five six two thousand and one want to come back choose the significance of the Cold War and all this that is both men came of age during the Cold War in operated during its high on but of course the Cold War point you felt as they pointed out the heightened Parkerson old US claims regarding the country's being the leader of the free world Cold War liberalism course blunted freedom dreams as you write on it so let's talk about that a little bit beep the limits of Cold War liberalism Lyndon Johnson following his sass nation and John Kennedy of course launches a great society campaign it advocates for various civil rights legislations but is also major escalator the war in Vietnam a war that Malcolm certainly inch us directly at the same time well no call out that question more directions the speech on S. riverside church that Martin made later on but that whole Cold War neutral background resonates today as well yeah absolutely I mean the Cold War really blind the idea of of racial integration even as symbolically in people like married to Jack and Cold War civil rights and force women penny von Eschen have shown you know the the the the jazz towards that the state department tried to do Kennedy and the race speech of June eleven sixty three it's going to be distributed around the world but when we think about what is the Cold War actually in fact does what it does what does it do what is to prevent well the rhetoric of the Cold War not only does it set in place this political geography of the United States versus the USSR and and the the U. using the rest of the world is these these chess pieces including Africa especially Africa Latin.

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