Abraham Mc, Tibet, Mount Kailash discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind


What are we getting next rubber right so it's looking at a study? This that you found in the night ended up diving into it was. Yeah Yeah Yeah I was interested in. I didn't know about this one because it seemed like some of the well. Will you describe it? And then we can discuss. Okay yeah this one was titled. Why revelations have occurred on mountains linking mystical experiences and cognitive neuroscience This was published in medical hypotheses. Twenty fifteen from ours back Lancet and blanke quote. Here's a quote from the peace quote prolonged. Stay at high. Altitudes especially in social deprivation may also lead to prefrontal lobe dysfunction such as low resistance to stress and a loss of ambition based on these phenomena logical functional and neural findings we suggested exposure to altitudes might contribute to the induction of revelation experiences and might further our understanding of the mountain metaphor religion. So they're really going for it. Yeah on this one. And they they point to the major revelations in the three major monotheistic religions in Judaism the burning Bush This is God speaks through the burning Bush. This is from exodus. Christianity is transfiguration from the book of Matthew. This is In which Jesus divine nature is revealed on lookers and then in Islam? There's also the the the the point where all speaks to the Prophet Mohammad in that also Like a mountain revelation. Now one of the problems here is getting into the idea of insufficient altitudes right. Yeah so I'd seen the study brought up on science blog somewhere and I thought it was interesting because touching on question we're asking but I saw it in the context of it being ridiculed because the main mountains that it's talking about aren't really that hot right so they're not like super high mountains that would be likely to cause Altitude sickness right right. Yeah they're not dealing with Himalayan peaks here right This is what the paper says. Though about the idea of moderate altitudes they said although the revelations discussed here had occurred in moderate altitudes it may be assumed that in subjects who are prone to mystical experiences already. Moderate altitudes are sufficient to trigger river revelation like experiences and revelations so the argument. Here I guess is is first of all you know not not. Everyone's going to have the same reaction to altitude like we've discussed right and that even moderate High altitude they're arguing could be sufficient potentially is one of those more research needed areas right but it could be enough to push people minds toward mystical experiences. Especially those minds are already Susceptible to say hallucination to voices or a to the experience of the supernatural and then the The the remembrance of supernatural experience. You know it's funny that they focus on Like the Abraham MC monotheistic religions Judaism Christianity and Islam. Because in the last episode you remember we had a discussion how it seems to me that That actually sacred geography plays less of a role in the Abraham MC religions than it does in many other religions around the world whereas in Abraham religions. It seems that when place is wholly. It's usually because the idea the something important and they're whereas in many other religions around the world the place itself has some religious significance the re the land itself the mountain is the home of the gods or is the body of a God or is sacred in its own right. Not just because of something that happened there right. I imagine there could be room for a lot of theological discussion In each of these three religions but yeah all three of these even as we were mentioning him we were mentioning the event. They were mentioning in the paper. The event that took place the meeting of Of An individual and the divine for instance in the case of the the The the Jewish Islamic examples. So at this point I want to turn to a particular mountain entity because I think it lines up with some of what We were just discussing ear. And that's that entity is the yeti everybody's favourite cooler no not the cooler. I mean unless the cooler has an actual yet the in it. That'd be a good trick discovered. One what was it the whether somebody in Georgia who claimed they had a big fluid and like a beer cooler and was like a freezer. There's a whole whole thing about ten or eleven years ago. Yeah I remember it well because for one fleeting second It made me wonder. Are we about to know that there is a sasquatch and of course it turned out to not be the case? It was like a costume or something right now. The Eddie in modern Western culture it has become just kind of a Himalayan variant of the SASQUATCH. You know if I say yet you? Major picture bigfoot or skunk ape whatever the regional variation of this creature is and I do think that is important is to think about the fact that there are variations of the wild man being in various cultures. Basically like a bipedal creature covered in hair that is seen all around the world but has distinct origins in each case right. Yes but It was looking at. I wanted to get a like a better snapshot of the this ape like beast As far as like Himalayan traditions go so I ran across a very very insightful. Piece titled Boonies tales of the Yeti by Kuhn Zane Coton Tales of the creature exists through the Himalayan region and the author points to the different names that are given to this entity so into bip Tibet. There's gangs me. Or Glacier man. There's me Sean. Poe or strongman and each in po or great man The SHERPAS College Yeti the lectures call it Chew Moon or Snow Goblin. I like that one or low moon or Mountain Goblin in Paul. There's Nihil new or Ban Monchy. He didn't provide a track translation translation for those. But I'm assuming some treatment on these various ideas you know And then The Bhutanese Say Migo or strong man also Greg Po. So we get this idea of some figure of of savage cold strength with possible you know Goblin a qualities as well so showed an writes that the the Mikoy idea here dates back to the pre Buddhist bond writings the The Pre Buddhist Animist religion. We mentioned this briefly in the last episode the indigenous religion of Tibet. It came up because Mount Kailash Amount Kyle Lhasa in In the Himalayas is a peak that is holy not just to Hindus who believe Some of whom believed that Lord Shiva and Parvathi dwell on top of Mount Kailash but it's also holy to some Buddhists Jane's and members of the bond religion that the Tibetan indigenous religion and Apparently some bon rituals call for the blood of Migo a slain with a sharp weapon. Whoa yeah so yeah so. This is a pre existing idea but then you get some Westerners involved writing and then you get this idea. Exported and and and reignited In the Western mind so British Traveller William Hugh night of the royals. The Royal. Society's Club recorded a Yeti siding in nineteen oh three on his way back to India from Tibet and then was another sighting in eighteen. Twenty five by a Westerner by a Greek zoologist in a Tom Bazi who described like this unquestionably figure in outline was exactly like a human being walking upright and stopping occasionally to uproot or pull at some Dwarf Rhododendron. It showed up dark against the snow and as far as I could make out wore no clothes and then later you had print sightings and And so forth in the nineteen fifties that helped popularize the idea of the Yeti in the West various films certainly of television series like in search of helped to contribute to this idea and today the the interest interest in the Eddie continues but there remains no proof that the creature exists in fact examination of preserved evidence of Yetis tends to lean toward the intentional or accidental misinterpretation of another animal or its handiwork. Dna worked from the past few years. For instance points does directly to at Asian bears as the source of the samples. So all of this in any any time. We're talking about a Yeti citing even in the Himalayan region we can't discount hoaxes and various other reasons but when we consider the potential effects of poxy A- and and these other like a high altitude situations Joel I think in some degree or related. Ibox know we might be talking more of a full blown hallucination and then at lower altitudes the effect could just be enough to make the individual. See what they want to see when they glimpse in normal animal or another human being so I found this idea of first of all there is. I did see this idea echoed in searching for the mysterious monsters a two thousand fourteen book by General for Rifkin. Now this is a kids book I WANNA see normally. We don't side a lot of kids book but listen was actually. I was reading through it. It's pretty good at. It seems to to to balance the mystical. What if with a lot of legitimate skepticism And then also I did see this idea Also echoed in A couple of journals and books such as nine hundred nine high altitude medical science by you'd you too Cushman and vocal and I think there is a lot of you know there are similarities. Between for instance that that getty account that I read earlier and accounts of a third man. Right here there is some other creature there and It wasn't human but it was It was hanging out it was there. I glimpsed in what you have this in in in this of course on top of a pre existing idea of there being some sort of a Yeti creature in the mountains and then once this idea gets Becomes part of of Western culture as well. Then there's more room to misinterpret the evidence or even Your senses now. I wonder if the if like a psychological thing kind of like the The Com- the climbing companion. The Third Man Syndrome is going on here. What do you think it might be? That would cause people to see a bipedal human like creature covered in hair as opposed to seeing. You know another just another human dressed like them or to seeing like a dead relative for one of these common hallucinations of comforting figures. Well on the hair thing I think certainly have one glimpsed a bear. That could throw you off. I mean if you've ever seen a bear in the in the flesh it can be this weird surreal and frightening experience. I mean hopefully a little frightening because as far as I'm concerned if you encounter bear and you don't have like a certain amount of fear. You're doing it wrong. There are good reasons why we see bears. As objects of prehistoric religions. I mean I think it's quite clear that the bear worship in various forms goes back a long way. That's one of those. Were kind of obvious why that would happen. Is this kind of like too many people. The bear would clearly seemed to be like the king of nature. Yeah this beast that can also rise up on two legs and stand like us that is seemingly slow in lethargic and then full of energy and ferocity that also we got into this in our winter people episode a couple of years back a creature that in some cases digs its own grave and seems to die and then reemerge with life in the spring. Yeah Yeah. It does seem quite mystical. You can totally see why bear would be thing that you would be afraid to speak. Its name speak. It's IT'S DANGEROUS. Holy Name and And why if you saw one out in the wild yeah you. You might think you'd had some kind of other worldly encounter all right one. Let's leave the Yeti and take one more break and we come back. We'll continue to discuss the topic. We've quickly found ourselves in tough times that none of us could have predicted a couple of months ago. The economy's in a rough spot because of Kobe. Nineteen small businesses and individuals are experiencing hard times with their personal finances too. That's why we've ramped up..

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