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An inevitability eventually. Well, absolutely. And I mean, we're, we're almost ten years into this economic expansion now but if you ask most Americans, do you feel like you've been gaining ground for ten years. They'll say no, they might feel like they've been gaining ground may be the last year, maybe the last couple of years, or maybe they don't even feel like they're, they're gaining ground yet. The scars of the great recession are deep and long lasting. You know, when, when colour initially imposed a two-tier weight scale back in two thousand ten there was a strike vote, and the, the workers at that time were not willing to take take the gamble of going on strike. They did strike in two thousand fifteen narrow narrow the gap between the two tiers and then they got the the, the new contract just late last year. And, you know, that's, that's the collective bargaining picture. But you can it's kind of a little bit indicative of what happens on an individual level, when you when you had individual workers who weren't necessarily represented by union debating, do I settle for. Whatever the company is offering do. I maybe accept a pay cut during tough times. Or do I say, look, I'm going to demand a pay raise and go elsewhere? You're finally starting to see more quits. That's something, the government tracks. How many people are quitting their job? Meaning they feel confident enough to go out and either find another job or because they already have another job. The quit rate has gone up, and that's a signal that more people are feeling the freedom to, to go out there and try the waters a little bit. But that's that was a long time in coming after they're very, very painful recession. Well, let's take a quick, call his go to Pam who's calling from Williamsburg, Virginia. Pam you're on the air. I worked for the airline had a two year, wait system. They are line never recovered from that employees, three unionized groups pilots flight, attendants mechanics, they are still suffering onto the recession and trying to get back those benefits and pay it'll never happen. I'm now with the school system. I'm astonished at how pay is particularly in southern region. City Newport News Hampton. The pay alone the cost of living has gone up there is no way to make a living wage, and it seems to me that a culture of poverty is being created. I see it in the school system. And I don't know if anything's ever going to be done to which reps bat. Right. We'll pam. Thank you so much for your call. Alexia kulik. Did you? Respond to her share. I mean, I, I absolutely agree. I think the way she laid out that dilemma was very articulate and the thing that I also wanna point out as even was we see so wages have been stagnant across the board. Right. If we if we look at two thousand seventeen dollars wages for manufacturing in Wisconsin have gone up about one dollar since nineteen eighty but what's also happened in that time period, is workers are paying more for their health insurance. They don't have the defined benefit pension plans that they used to. And so we're so far behind that trying to make those in inroads, and making those improvements is extraordinarily difficult. And, and so I agree. I think, you know, coming together and acting collectively poses one potential, although I think the caller is absolutely right. That once once you've given something up in that collective bargaining process. It's extremely extremely difficult to regain that in to recapture the, the benefits that we used to have so in term. Of the culture or the creating an atmosphere of poverty. We've certainly have much more inequality in this country than we used to. And it's something that I think both individuals and policymakers needed to pay attention to well, Alexia, cool whick professor in the school for workers at the university of Wisconsin. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks so much for having me. We'll Scott we were talking about a two tiered wage structures in a lot of workplaces but another major part of NPR's special series about a full employment economy has to do with the differences in jobless rates that we're seeing amongst Hispanics and.

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