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Is it does give us that point? Or when we have no other clues, and then it points direction, and then we bring in traditional law enforcement techniques, the oh to kind of feel the deal and to get a conviction, and again, most of these people a lot of criminals, confess the crimes. So once you tell someone we have your DNA at this crime scene. We have your DNA, and it's mashed this believe it or not they confessed these. Grassle? Yeah. That was me. That was me. Yes. I did it briefly before relinquish you. And I know I gotta let you go run that big police force of yours. You know, there's some people who say look what we're doing is sort of backwards engineering suspect, yet take the thing. You swab it. And then you go find and see if there's something they may have done somewhere before they even charged with something. How do you address that concern? That we're taking your DNA to see if they've committed a crime yet sort of saying, well, they may not be suspects in these other things, but let's just sort of throw it out there and see what comes up. Oh, we do that every day. We're doing we're taking DNA from people that we arrest for one crime to see the hits linked to other crimes as I started off a while ago. People just don't make one crime and they're done. They're not committing a crime to pay their electric Bill because they fell the I in this month, the committing crimes for other reasons. So if we have other unsolved crimes, which we do when we finally get the suspect, and we take swab and put it into the to the rapid machine it will link to our database, and we're not talking about a code is database now we're talking about a local database it a link to that database, and it will show a hit. And we're talking about a credit labs. We use boaty technologies that alone in Virginia. Which does a lot of backlogs for many other KOTA slabs throughout the country. We're talking about ask clutch certified laboratories, not some guy that just opened up shop in his basement. We're talking about real labs with all the certification. To go along with it that everybody else uses to put into coats to begin with. All right. And you hearing there the voice of Fred Herron, director of public safety for Bensalem township police department in Pennsylvania for thanks so much for joining us today. Thank you. And now joining us from Los Angeles is Lisa holder. She's the interim legal director for the ink will Justice society in Oakland, California. She's the the Justice society, I should say is suing the state of California for collecting the DNA of people who are arrested for alleged felonies. But never convicted Lisa's also has their own private law firm and teaches police accountability at UCLA law school, Lisa holder. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me, David. So I want to talk to you a little bit about these. You've been hearing the issues we've been talking about today, you have concerns over DNA, and I want to get to your suit against California in a moment. But when you're listening to this conversation. What concerns what concerns arise for you? And what hopes to rise for you? Well, I'll see there. There are several concerns that are right for me. The first concern that I that I have is just the over dependence on technology in policing and the movement away from community policing..