Nasa, Public Health England, Google discussed on Leadership Biz Café


Crisis, but also look at how we can regain that relevancy that you're speaking about that governments are now starting to realize they should have Absolutely. Well, what happened in this country was was very interesting in the sense that we started off with a lot of emphasis on partnership. The issue of the Brewers game was was obviously important here as well as in your country. We had the idea of getting ventilators made by the private sector and I think is a number of car companies stepped in there. But then that partnership sort of broke down didn't work very well after a while there was an initial surge of enthusiasm and then with a lot of barriers ring count and one of the reasons for this I think was that sections of the public saying sector were very monopolistic in their thinking about things. So there's something call organization called Public Health England wage, which insisted basically the old tests should be made in house. They wouldn't Buy in tests from their private sector or bring them in from universities. They wanted their own tests off. Their own way and this of course slowed down the supply of tests and it was a ridiculous sort of Monopoly. Also Public Health England later said they had to develop the apps. They wouldn't bring apps from Google or any private-sector organization. They needed it needed to be something invented and made by public sector England. So there is an element within the public sector that's very resistant to partnership and is very Monopoly minded. We need to pray that down. Of course we do because you know, a loss of the expertise that we're we're we're going to need particularly. In fact ology resides in the private sector now, it doesn't reside in the public sector. So there any way you can advance is through through Partnerships. So we need when we talking about partnership. We also have the problem with how well you can manage that partnership because obviously private sector organizations are profit-making entities. They will try and get the best deal possible. And unless you have people in the private in the public sector wage. Who are capable of managing those relationships and capable of striking a hard bargain? You can have public sex and money being in wasted and badly used. I'm also very glad you mentioned the issue of nass for two reasons one is that NASA was an elite organization within the public sector everybody took their hats off to it. Everybody was thrilled by NASA and what we've ten years to have is a sort of squeezing of quality in the in the public sector particularly in Britain and and and and the United States are sort of public sector egalitarianism. There aren't that many elements in the public sector leverage. Wow. There's a really great people. I really want like to be one of those, you know, that sort of elitism is now focused on the private sector and I'd like to have you know much more sense that the very brightest very best people will go into the public sector because the public sector is where his ask where they've got the best people so that sense of elitism that sense of belonging to a bath A very exclusive Club I think is is is is is very importance and the other reason I'm glad you mentioned NASA is that we have the right-hand man of our prime minister Boris Johnson is Michael Dominic Cummings and he is absolutely obsessed by NASA and he wants to have the ethos of NASA a sort of the Innovative elitist Spirit of NASA and his all also is now building a sort of a prime minister's office which has screens which is real time information, which has open-plan seating rather rather traditional teaching than has very much on a sort of NASA sort of model. So it's this is no fashionable again at the heart of British government, which they can rather interesting. And it's interesting that we're talking about technology here because that's actually something else. I wanted to discuss with you because it is another point you bring up for what this covid-19 wake-up call should elicit which is a greater an investment in technology by government whether that's in building high-speed internet networks the same way they build roads and highways to creating apps that allow citizens to conduct their business with different government agencies. And again there examples out there countries creating various digital measures to help them better manage their covid-19 response. I particularly like the one you write about in how in Shanghai each subway car has its own QR code that they use our scan when they enter the car. So if someone who was on that car test positive or covid-19 the government knows who to contact the self isolate and yet we see here in the west and you just mentioned it now a lot of pushback citing privacy concerns, for example again here in Canada government launched their own covid-19 app, they did independently of Google or any other of those high-tech companies to home. Five people if they've recently been in contact with someone who's now tested positive for covid-19 yet despite assurances from the Canadian government as well as privacy Advocates that there are no privacy issues from the the app hasn't gained wide adoption, and at the same time Facebook keeps getting caught collecting data that its users hadn't agreed to and yet people keep using their platform. So give or how companies are able to get consumers to buy in on giving up their data and exchange for some service or perceived benefit. What should governments be doing to get more participation in such an issue considering the numerous cited benefits from epidemiologists at doing this kind of tracing will help reduce the spread of this virus and consequently limit the economic and social Fallout that comes from having to put very same options in place. It's quite extraordinary that people are willing to to give up their Privacy Information Vital Information about themselves in order to look at pictures of fluffy dog. That's yes beautiful dogs. I'm a dog person on campus and but they're not willing to give up their information to save their own lives or more importantly to save the lives of other people. I think that we have to be willing to give up that data. I think that's the most important thing is preserving life and if preserving life means redrawing the boundaries at least, you know temporarily for between individual rights and Collective obligations, and I think we have to move towards Collective obligations young people are being selfish because it's not just about preserving their own life. It's about serving the lives of other people if you're a healthy young person you're not going to die from this thing. But if you're an older person you've got health problems, then you are going to worry about it. So I think that you need that the government needs to appeal to a sense sense of altruism, but also I think that we need to introduce the element of accountability in the sense that I thought. I'm willing to give up information about myself providing. I'm assured that the government is accountable for the use of that information that there is a proper oversight through the parliamentary system through figure asst and peas but also select committees commissions of inquiry which are constantly watching over the government's I think the government has to put more emphasis into setting up the right song structures of accountability and also to persuading people that the rather right sort of structures to accountability..

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