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"Culture experts have examined fan girl for just about as long as it has existed and wire culture has such anxiety around it and one thing experts believe is a part of this is How girls girls go through adolescence and are feeling sexual desires expressing that via celebrity or a fictional character? That's something that is safe society girls grew up with the message that their existence in life is wrapped in finding a husband the hotter and richer the better. Luckily this is changing Celebrities check those boxes and despite ardent beliefs that will one day meet the object of our affection. We haven't which gives us artistic license to imagine how great our lives will be without the reality of what it would really be like and the lyrics like you were saying earlier. They tell these he's lyrics are telling young women angles. I WanNa love you forever. No matter what you were perfect. You're beautiful the you don't need to change a damn something and who wouldn't yes to be seen all of a sudden and we've said it before we'll say it again. We are terrified. A female sexuality quality particularly Young Women Sexuality a lot of Geeky white dues criticized van girls for being only interested in hot lead actors and this is not true fandom when look at the bottom of one direction is generally assumed that all their fans are fan girls so therefore liking duration automatically means. You are only the F. There looks. You aren't very intelligent everything you like a suspect that your thoughts and opinions are invalid and that not like in one direction makes the person better Yep this is gross. Yeah and sex's the fact that women especially young women like something does not give people the right to put all these assumptions on them and even our news coverage reflects our derision when one direction broke up a lot of news coverage outright ridicule the fans and their distress but one of their favorite bands broke up a really sucks. It does yes. I hate it when the show gets cancelled. Yeah it makes you really sad. Yeah Harry styles has been asked whether he believes that wonder actions largely female fan base has held him back from being seen as a serious musician. Kind of like what you mentioned earlier. His response who's to say that young girls who who liked pop music short for popular right have worst musical tastes than thirty year. Old hipster guy. That's not up to you to say. Music is something that's always changing. There's no goalpost young girls like the Beatles. You're going to tell me they're not serious. How can you say young girls? Don't get it their future. Our Future doctors lawyers mothers presidents. They kind of keep the world going teenage girl fans. They don't lie they like you. They're they're they. Don't act to cool. They like you they tell you which is sick meaning in a good way And from a two thousand fourteen rolling stone article about Harry Styles There was this this quote. He knows he serves at the pleasure of girl audience that absolutely cannot be bought. Scammed condescended to or taken for granted. It's been tried if your girl pop fan. You're the only power player in the music business. Everybody else is scared stiff of you. It's true it's true. I've also read arguments. That fan girl is a decentralized sexualize form of Groupie that makes sense. Yeah because we're so afraid of women's sexual agency in this dichotomy women are either superficial official unintelligent fans in the derogatory understanding what a fan girl is or a woman who is only in a fan to ultimately have sex both dismissed remember. I actually like the music or whatever it is that they're fanning over a likely have to sexualize them in order to validate why they might like something. Yeah all this language and derision around fan girl sort of creates a cage for women were the only acceptable way to express their emotions around something they love is very measured and we you can also see this judgment around how young women speak. Yeah because if you think about the all of the articles around up talk or vocal fry. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah a part of it too. Feels like an acceptable way to express sexist thoughts pointing at something. We so far have allowed and supported making fun of and taking pleasure and young women crash against the Patriarchy and fail kind of Weirds me out the more I think about how comfortable you are which is being like look how stupid and silly these young girls are because they like this thing so unnecessary. Why take the joy from someone? Yeah come on Adolescence is a messy time. Four I always say all of us A time when we're trying to figure out who we are all these pieces of our identity trying to stay alive yeah. FANDOM is a way of finding tribe and pieces of phantom are ways to find parts of yourself to figure out what you want which can change with age It's a tool to learn about yourself off. Istan the fan fiction episode. I learned all about sex from bad vixen. And what I liked and what I did it. One steady conducted on young adult fan culture concluded idol of popstars has unique characteristics for adolescence. It provides a basis for self expression the construction of self identity A. and the achievement of independence. And Yeah. This is also a time when you are going through your budding sexuality and sexual desires. And you're feeling these things except right lance bass figured out. He was gay. Or Ashley came out after instinct told not to come out because that would ruin the fans. fandom oh wow. That's how impotent to like girls which happens a lot. The thing is Definitely time that people start figuring out people girls anyone who is a fan start figure out of your sexuality you're talking about previously about X.. Files you it says a lot Yeah and I was also thinking about how since the message message we get our at least I can say personally that I got was that you need to get married. And it's GonNa be the greatest best thing of your whole life. Then you're you're going to fantasize about finding that bright person we've been conditioned to believe true. Love is the ultimate thing. Right and so harasses for me was Ryan Gosling I. He was the one I told my mom I would marry and bless her heart she did not laugh at me they told people gonNA marry anyone. Specifics I don't think I did. I really yeah I felt uh and I do want to say of course. There are unhealthy expressions of fandom in all aspects of fandom including fan girls and fan girl communities fan girls can and definitely do engage in their own form of `gate-keeping like flaming which is the way to shut up voices. They don't like especially devastating when an entire fan club turns on you. I had an experience of very tiny experience with Arianna Grandes Fan club and No thank you uh-huh apologize. Sorry I'm a little afraid of the bay highs. Yeah as well as the fifties but I enjoy both these artists so yeah I have nothing thing to say. But yeah they're fierce like you've been saying the powerful power full One thing that does differentiate fan girls though is the stream. I'm obsessive qualities of it or Troubling beliefs a lot of these things can be phases like adolescents fees. That's not to diminish fan girls or what they like like at all or to say that everything that angles like it's a phase but there are parts of it that can be and it's totally natural unhealthy do right and that having said Fan. Labor is often replaced with derogatory words like stocking or creepy when it comes to fingernails but family is just a part of fandom finding out all the details it does dissecting the memorizing them adding this intelligence to the fan community. That's the same level of knowledge among male fans or sports fans which is not looked upon as negative active is seen as expertise music critic Jessica Hopper tweeted a while back. Replace the World Fan girl with expert and see what happens and psychologists do caution about celebrity pretty unrealistic body image standards that girls may internalize and manifest as an eating disorder. And we've talked about that previously and there's definitely something that we have to be careful careful of. Yeah and that's something that when I was researching this This article came of pretty much reassuring parents. Yes us your girl your daughter she might. It's fine you might be obsessive but here are the things you should actually be looking for right. I and a lot of the things. Yes were body image standards. If the celebrity in question drinks a lot or smokes or if there's an underlying issue like depression That has sort of become wrapped up in fandom or whatever it is but it's not the fanned end Murray expressing the love for that. It's different thing right right right And Yeah I just last night was amazed at I'm Green Day was my think most right best example of all of this and somebody asked me a random trivia question and damned if I still what have you. Do you learn all of these things you do. And you contribute and collaborate These shows like I'll go back and look at their. IMDB stuff and just eat like who's with what and were there from this. That was oh and they were born in this time. That's cute. Yeah Yeah Yeah So in conclusion I suppose the thing is there are different levels of fandom right And you get to decide what kind signed fan that you are no one else. Can you as much as they are going to try. Phantom is a diverse space policing. It were not allowing it to grow and be as robust Austin creative and welcoming as it can and should be. Girls are not a monolith we come in a variety of ages. Some of us are there. For the hot celebrity liberty others are not it might be booth or it might differ depending on the fandom and I will say the whole different ages. It's hard to be a fan girl when all of the new stuff has really young kids and they are not as dirty. That's something different topic. Think so yeah. I really left this feeling of warmth in my heart for the fan girl and I still am in many ways a fan girl but just again. Don't I respect the fan girl. Yeah because they're onto something there experts and they're making you money for someone not me. I don't know what I mean. Anything this show on right in fan fiction with me and it once and it was the best day of my entire life I don't actually because I was scared. What would that would be? Never know how. We'll go If you want to hear me fingerling about one of my favorite movies you can go check out the episode. I did on the podcast movie crush with her friend check And I did it on Spiderman into despite despite verse which Samantha knows all my favorite's the love that you have for that movie. I left my face hurt from smiling. Thank Sandwich I love that movie And also oh I WANNA fan girl. Anne was in an amazing movie that we've already talked about previously was fantastic and our friend Paul who directed and wrote it with her did an amazing job any the city which is out now on Amazon Amazon. Prime you can watch it for free so As a."