Football, Topeka, Ben Lindo discussed on Revision Path
Able to see those classes actually happened, gave me an opportunity to wait a second. They're doing what I was doing, but drawing, but they're making stuff move. They make in their drawings move. How is that happening? Wait a second. And I think after talking with the professor that night, I actually went in the next day and changed my major to art. And then started to go down this path of being the football player leaving practice with an easel. Across the football field with an easel and all of my art mysterios and running it to the art lab. And of course sitting in the corner because pretty much I'm just leaving football practice and fresh hours but still just leaving football practice four hours of practice. So I dealt with that dynamic for two more years and it was incredibly beneficial for me. Just simply because it started to introduce me into graphic design. I was always exposed to graphic design via bubble letters, airbrush tees, just drawing certain things for certain people, but just didn't know that it was actual profession behind it. And being able to make that correlation there kind of sparked my career into the design world. Yeah, so getting that exposure to it knowing that this is something it's an option that you can take because prior to that design was something that you just sort of consumed. Like you mentioned in these sort of like bubble letters and stuff like that. But now knowing like, oh wait, I can do that too. I can make that. I mean, even that whole setup about leaving football practice and going to our class with the easel. Sounds like a feel good holiday movie or something. I mean, if you ever want to transcribe that into a story, I bit hallmark, pick it up. That sounds pretty dope. I may have to do that. That's a good idea. Yeah, so what were those like early days post college like in terms of your career? You graduated now you were majoring in graphic design. What was next after that? You know, it was the real world posting its first challenge to me. I think that first challenge to me was getting into an internship well as a football player, you're spending 40 hours a week on football. So you're not able to kind of go away and market yourself to other agencies and say like, hey, I'm a designer. I could do these things. It just wasn't acceptable, or it wasn't available for you. But in my case, the real world slapped that was put in front of me was I in order to work my internship, which I finally got at a local ad agencies, shown you with some partners there Topeka Kansas. I was only able to do that internship on Fridays from roughly 8 a.m. to three p.m.. In order to be able to do that, finish with school, but of course I have to make money somehow. So I hustled my way into talking to a Topeka youth project, a local small school that taught kids that were 15 to 21 jobs and life skill readiness. So it was my job to go out to the local fast food restaurants, the local libraries. Anybody who had a job for 18 and actually become a business representative and pitch the school to that company to say, hey, I know you manager and I know this kid that I just taught this class. You guys sound like you'll be a great match. You should probably hire this kid. Right? Getting the kid higher that was the first indication of negotiation and stakeholder like agreements, right? Knowing how to actually have those conversations, right? While doing that, I was only able to work, I believe it was 28 hours a week or 25 hours a week with that company. In order to do that as a business representative, I bargained to say, hey, let me help you with your website and your logo as well. So I'll do your website and your logo and I'll also be your business representative. I was doing that. So a normal day for me post college and this is how bad I really wanted to be in this world of design. I worked from 8 a.m. to roughly about three p.m., Monday through Wednesday at the typical youth project on Tuesday through Thursday. I was working overnight shift at FedEx, unloading trucks. So pretty much from roughly about three a.m. to 7 a.m. and then in between the Thursday to Friday, I was also unloading packages to target and basically being a target shelf stocker. All so that I can get the internship completed and also get the first level of experience out of the way. Now, I'm not saying that, you know, most designers now coming out of college don't have to worry about those types of stories and those types of hustles, but it was just a slightly different from me being in a small town and just wanting to make this work so bad and not wanting to go back home and say like, you know, hey, I didn't do it and make it. That was the start of hard work makes something out of you. But then also hard work increase the character that you need. As you continue to progress. You are hustling. Listen, man had to happen. That reminds me a lot of there's another guest we had on the show several several years ago. His name is Ben lindo. He's an industrial engineer out of, I think he's on affiliate Pittsburgh, one of the two, but he was mentioning how he would do design school. He was doing design school, and it was a UPS driver at the same time. And like would come to class in his UPS uniform and the teacher would always have something to say and that kind of thing. But he made it work. I mean, you know, when you're out there on your own, you have to hustle to make that, you know, it's going to make that happen. You have to make those sacrifices, those compromises, and it sounds like you really, really hustled to make that happen. So props to you. Exactly, exactly, and I think it benefited me a lot just because I was exposed to so many different conversations. So many levels of small talk. Yeah. So many levels of strategy. I knew that I can unload a semi truck of boxes from FedEx and under an hour. An under 56 minutes holding that record doing that, right? But I also knew the pattern of if I unload the boxes too fast on the belt, it could stop the belt. And then pretty much that makes the day longer for other people that are behind me. So it's just so many lessons that are there through on that first year out of college. Yeah, I mean, it really teaches you the value of hard work, too, you know? I mean, I think it's one thing if you're going to school and you manage to land that super cushy gig right out of school and it's not too hard but not too easy, like it's just kind of a Goldilocks kind of situation. But I mean, there's another thing when you get out and you really have to hustled like carve your way into a position or to get to a point where you're gonna be, you know, hopefully setting yourself up for the future in a good way, you know? Exactly, exactly. I think, you know, just being the first of the family to go to college first of the family to graduate college. You knew and understood you are your help. It wasn't something else that, you know, you can wait on you were your help. You were ascending this index avenue and arena so that you can then help your family on the back end of it. Yeah, like you said, you know, it's that thing where you don't want to go back home like defeated. You don't want to go back home like, oh, I couldn't make it. Like you sort of, that also pushes you and drives you to succeed as well. That feeling. Yes. Yes. So you worked for a number of companies between being in Kansas, being in Florida being in Texas, work for a lot of places. When you look back at your career now that you're at Microsoft, do you feel like there was a particular moment or a particular job or anything.