Laurie Cooper, Lauren, Kmox discussed on Sterling on Sundays


You make sense of any of it I want to introduce you to Laurie Cooper he is the author of many books one including the chain of ghost residents in language and what we want to talk about is when you're watching all the different kind of new sources out there seen news on social media what do you believe how do you believe how do you know what is right in this world of fake news Lauren welcome to KMOX thanks for having me how do you know how do you how do you know what to believe anymore you know it's difficult if you look at some of the statistics that are out there were more of a skeptical point in terms of cynicism than we've ever been but one of the one of the best things to do is to to understand a little bit basically about how tell stories are constructed in hell they could you know be used not only to to enclose people but how actually people influence themselves through stories so one one thing to do is to think about the fact that story is kind of the the world use women and psychologically there's been kind of divided into sort of two types of thinking the way that we view the world and so you can think of it loosely is what James cold directed versus associate of thought there's a Nobel Prize winner talk about kind of bias that the talks about Spanish versus slow thinking and one thing about this is what we think is kind of our every day the sort of what's obvious to this kind of thing is tied into the much more powerful but also much less conscious sort of fast thinking in Burma think about it this way if you get a Cup of coffee you see steam coming out of a coffee you know it's hot right you don't have to put the water and there are no it's not the the the difficulty is that while well that fast thinking model is extremely powerful let's just deal with things very rapidly and it's built deeply because it's still connected will of your survival mechanism for you have to decide quickly it's not very good at doing things in an empirical bowl framework that's where that directed thinking or the the slow thinking comes in and common touch about examples of simple word problems that were presented to people who were you know either either actually professionals of statistics or one case students and some of the top universities it over half of the population groups together well because they're they're fast thinking we kick and it would seem intuitive and it would be wrong an example of that is the date there's a ball in a bad because the dollar tree in the that because a dollar more than the ball how much is it most people immediately think the that costs a dollar actually if you do the math the band has to cost a dollar five in a ball is cost of medical costs okay yeah seems like a great school for the kind of thing but it really illustrates that sort of fast versus slow thinking and what those those things are good at end of the deal is is fast thinking is basically think about as a constantly growing there so it is a collection of all the sort of stories that we have put things together stores are basically the hell week Warner of ants over time writers took breaks down and so when it feels good intuitively we tend to agree with it as well Hulme talked about reason being the slave of the passions we get a modern political research is kind of bonus out we decide it in in the gut a motion only if those things are similar story and we justify it with reason or we change we just saw this in the impeachment hearings couple weeks ago when they changed it from quid pro quo because they believe the through the research that a lot of people didn't understand really what that was so they changed it to bribery and whatever else they they were saying it that's what you're talking about right if they they're changing that narrative to make sure more people understand what their messages exactly that's that's seller that's other shifting it to change it but what I'm talking about is how we actually absorbing change you know our internal storage so we absorb new facts or even how we reject them how some of these cognitive biases you know will occur like for example you you have a position and then even though you see evidence that may be contrary to that position you might be locked into that position there are specific are gonna biases about these kinds of things like this that one in particular is the continued influence affect where you actually will warm previously believe previously learned of this information even though it's been corrected part of this because it's already kind of solution that makes sense absolutely question your first question was how do you how do you deal with this environment we've got workers you know you've got targeted news you've got the option to come to choose your own news and and news is really mixed with commentary you know how do you kill a person through to get get to the facts my advice around that is to first of all don't be too comfortable with with whatever source you get your news from look at the other side look at other sources out there you have eighteen you have readers as well as like the big three cable channels as well as the stuff that comes up to where it comes up where you know is not sure he did a lot of the other information is Karina but it's it's it's usually also curated by commentary into was painted if if you don't like clash these things together video get opportunity to kind of get a fuller picture and if you don't look at stuff that potentially makes you uncomfortable then you're never getting far enough outside a your say your sphere to know if you're getting somebody's opinion somebody's slant on it or you know the actual we're talking with Lorne Cooper is the author of chain of ghost residents in language and I I want to point out that news services the news networks that you see fox news MSNBC whatever whatever network news is out there they always have this you know breaking news the the the the big Billboard that shows up on their their screen when you're watching it and it's really not breaking news I mean when you know when you think of breaking news god forbid you know nine eleven on that day that was breaking news well now it's like it we get numb to this this you know this all worked this you know breaking news alert that it's kind of like around you know just gonna kind of by pass it is just something else we're gonna be talking about right right and and those Tyron the the billboards that you have that are that are doing that that's part of this this idea of kind of pulling and eyeballs you know so the problem is is that Noone is business right so it has to pull bowls it has to sell advertising revenue has to make money and so entertainment becomes a part of the news one of the this is interesting from back in my my misspent youth I actually remember I don't know if you're a revision of the should have use like public service sort of cartoons that were like Disney this kind of thing and it was one actually the part about at that time the the guy was listening to the news it's driven crazy by the anxiety but he can't turn away from the news because you know he still held on on what happened once yeah that's a powerful it's a powerful technique for keeping an eye ball keeping that that advertising revenue dollars of everything is a is a headline you can't turn away from it then you know you're you're sucked into that the problem is is that's not necessarily serving you well it's serving the advertise your purpose well this yeah that's and that's that's the the the difficulty I think in the beginning you know with that that sort of internal comfort that we have once we find somebody that says something that we tend to agree with we don't want to move on maybe the unicorn because I walked all the different network news is just to see where my truth is of what I'm absorbing absolutely absolutely might actually my father a long before I got into this kind of thing my father used to read every major newspaper in the morning and I I asked one time we did that and his answer was you know because he was very much although died at yourself so far guy he said you know with all of the different perspectives he should you basically get an opportunity to look at the various lives in and she what truth might be under the how much you can look and I just read a story not too long ago just a few days ago actually talking about most of Americans get their news from social media or on what did you call just a little bit ago the under on curated very hello something with bases true of fact behind it but in this world of fake news we gotta look out especially in an important election which they all are but as we set our sights on the twenty twenty election the rhetoric has got to be getting worse as we got to be careful with that absolutely and it also treats the vulnerability that you know potentially anyone can exploit if it's a political party if it's a political action committee with the money this coming from there if it's you know potentially for an actor all of those all of those things are you know opportunities that did not exist discreetly before because all you have to do is pay a service and generate a message and if you can get that message out there past that service you could pretty much attempt to build our influence anything that you want and the stuff is based on general psychological with the skull PSYOP psychological warfare and that kind of thing you know people are familiar with propaganda the whole the whole idea of all of it is to just influence enough of them the population and with the new technology that we have that companies were companies gather all of this information from our activity on the web it's more towards it's more influential and it it's more direct than it ever has been before and the defense against that is to not be again too comfortable one thing that you see coming yeah but that to really be as a purple as possible to to check outside enter into really do a lot of fact check don't believe everything you read or don't believe everything you hear so that's another thing I remember my parents don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see in this world we also so learned as as children don't ever get into a stranger's car and overs making billions all what's right Lauren Cooper author author of chain of goes residents in language this on Amazon and in my most recent book which was a runner up for an international war to science fiction and fantasy it's cold across town and so it's in multiple bookstores across the world the greeter and I'll take you up on that Lauren Cooper thank you very much have a have a hot happy holidays or yes good all issue this is the voice of Saint Louis KMOX my name is Bob Matthews and we've.

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