Listen: Thomas Jefferson, Switzerland, Italy discussed on Gastropod
"We've decided Italy probably isn't the source of the creamy goodness. But Italy has a neighbor that seems to be a more likely suspect, Switzerland, specifically, the Italian speaking part of Switzerland, which to be fair was talion for big chunks of history. Parts belong to embody for a little time on the other side. There were parts of Italy today, which belong to Switzerland. So it was always a mix and and coming and going this recipes product Paul enough as the author of a series of books on Swiss food for the books, Paul created, an inventory of typical Swiss dishes, and there was one in particular that you find on restaurant menus and in homes all over Switzerland Bish called upper mccrone outta my granny. That is L pine herder macaroni, the macaroni dish for herders who live in the elps your crook pasta. Then in some parts together a little bit some. Potato sister than you, the pasta in it only. Mcdonagh recouped him this o'nions be cremated not about her. And then cheese Swiss typically serve this heavy creamy Karbi delight with some applesauce. But otherwise, it sounds a lot like MAC and cheese. And it goes way back in the history of the Swiss Alps, or the Italian elps the older stress should be phoned is in in the cookbook of mice deal, which is famous cookbook in Italy in the middle ages. And this man came from today Swiss alpine valley volley Benue at that time it belonged to one of the in northern Italy nicer Martino Swiss guy who cooked an Italian juke in the fifteen hundreds he described making past with the tube in the middle. And then mixing it with butter and cream and cheese. Go actually. You have really base of this college so upper Mogollon, so this sounds a little bit closer. And in fact, the Kirby tubular shape of the pasta at self the elbow shape, we associate with macaroni and cheese pulses that seems to have come from Switzerland to. And maybe the original MAC and cheese is out pine like Italian food redesigned by the Swiss for hungry herders with a lot of cream and Greer that seems a little more convincing. Of course. It's not totally one hundred percent settled historians. Let us know if you come up with anything new in any case by the late seventeen hundreds cremate cheesy, MAC and cheese style casserole was popular in both England and France, that's where one of our founding fathers encountered it so Thomas Jefferson is credited with bringing MAC and cheese into the United States. And apparently he brought it back from France. Yes, you ever gets a little bit credit, but that's really not true. If you look at manuscript cookbooks in the United States, even before Jefferson's time, people were serving something that was similar to macaroni and cheese in their house. Holds they often called it macaroni pudding. But what you find in that time period is a lot of wealthier Americans. Go visit Europe get exposed the dish in fall in love with and bring it back. Thomas. Jefferson was just one of these wealthy Americans who fell under the MAC and cheese spell. He was introduced to it while he was living in Paris. As minister to France in the seventeen eighty s when his time is up as minister of France on his way, back the United States. He actually instructs some of his underlings smuggle macaroni maker from Europe at United States. Because at that time the Italians had macaroni making a lockdown. So he had a series MAC and cheese. Jones. Jefferson may not have been the first American to fall in love with this dish. But to be fair, it's not really a myth at he introduced it to America after all he had a little more influence than most people. Apparently, he served macaroni and cheese in the White House. Well, though, not all his guests appreciated. It take age entering named Manasseh Cutler who came around for supper on February evening in eighteen to he shows up the. Dinner, and he just really didn't know what to make MAC and cheese because he's just never experienced it. So he thought the pasta noodles were giant onions. And he wrote in his diary later that it was disagreeable in had a strong taste. So I'm not sure what Jefferson's cooks put in that MAC and cheese. And in fact, he had to ask the guy sitting next to him at that dinner to explain what the dish was in the."