Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Frank Gardner discussed on Forum

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Windows, an architecture and tiny little alleyways and streets, really Quainton beautiful. But it was poised to be the first world capital. It was actually going to run out of water. The country is. Incredibly poor. It's polluted, you know, that you coming to a village or ton from miles away because the trees appear to all be in bloom, but they're not blooms the plastic bags. It's just parts of the country is just one big dumpster. Plus it littered with mines. That said Yemen is amongst the most hospitable, and kindest and generous people in the world. They didn't have what's happened to them. We're also talking about a cholera epidemic. That is staggering. And we're talking about inaccessibility to healthcare to any kind of medical health. Care and the food. I mean before when when you heard. Hussein talking about trying to send nutrition they're reading about babies who are so malnourished that they can't even cry. I mean again and get any energy to cry and children are who were born at the start of the war have lived through this. We're talking about maybe fourteen air raids per day, and the average again the mind can't even get around. It. You got eight million children are just cut off from any regular access to basic, water or sanitation or hygiene. It's it's just unbelievable as humanitarian crises. Let's address these because this is really important. The the US has called on Saudi Arabia and its coalition which consists of about nine different countries. It's called on them to stop as strikes on civilian populated areas. When I say called on that, basically means you've got to stop it. And that's important. I've been into something called the kale the coalition air operations center. And it's pretty chilling up there on a board is the arrivals board of the next incoming flights. And it'll say Mashonaland Egypt plane designated f sixteen then there'll be a column called kill box and within that kill box grids where they can release their ordnance. And a lot of that is going wrong is hitting the wrong targets funerals. Weddings, hospitals convoys of ambulances. It's it's horrendous. So that needs to stop. And heading medical centers and medical facilities to. Yeah. The new saints. The both sides committed atrocities here the Hutus of targeted civilian areas deliberately they have co cited medical facilities along with armaments. The the problem with the food supply comes down primarily to the borders and specifically to the port of her data, which is effectively blockade or partially blockaded by the Saudi led coalition. Why because they say the Iranians are smuggling weapons the Iranians deny that I've asked them personally they've denied that they are sending weapons, but there is proof that some weapons of gone through. But the Saudi say if we allowed every ship to come in unsearched unchecked, then Iran, which is simply rearm the Hutus perpetuate the fight this, of course, has denied by them. And by the Hutus, but that's the reason why they do it. I think the the humanitarian suffering is so bad in Yemen that most people in the industry would say Saudi Arabia can say whatever it likes her data. Port is got to open up to mass shipment of food. Frank gardner. Again, is BBC security correspondent Hussein most in here in studio is co-founder Berkeley base Yemen relief project. A lot of congressional representatives Hussein are really concerned about him. Are you getting to them? We are. We are in were making those both parties. Yeah. Absolutely. But the the real issue is it has to be more than that. It has to be multidimensional. It just can't be you know, it has to be the four four five. Our thoughts to make this change is not gonna be a phone call. We have to elect certain officials that are going to make those decisions that are going to support things like blocking or stopping the the the the bombing of Yemen subbing weapon flow and getting eighth while we've got a lot of callers who want to join us. Let me get to some of them Paul. You're on morning. Morning. Thank you for the program and elaborating on the terrible situation. To try to set the record straight on Trump's claims about all the jobs that are created which are arms sales to Saudi Arabia off sale. The United States. Guess what are your guests say that there are jobs that are at stake? Perhaps, you know. Immorality of the art sale. Chris Hayes MSNBC program all in a very scholarly. And well, researched well-sited actually say how many have actually created by our off still in Saudi Arabia after all said and done. It wasn't trumps one million jobs. It was more like about twenty thousand new jobs at about one hundred eighty thousand ongoing. President does have his problems inflating numbers wonder, thank you for the question. Focuses important one on this Frank Gardner amino. What do we know we certainly know there's a lot of money in those arms. What about jobs? I didn't know the exact statistics. I'm sure you're caller is right there that that figures have been exaggerated, but this relationship the reason why the west is so embarrassed by this Khashoggi hit and by the ongoing tragedy of Yemen is that it's got itself into bed with a strategic partner that is is doing terrible things in the Middle East. But they they they think in Washington and London that they need that strategic against Iran because they look at Iranian what they call a rainy and expansionism prior to two thousand three when the US led invasion of Iraq toppled, Saddam Hussein's. Remember him in Iraq that his regime the was a bulwark against Iran. In other words, Iraq was this great blocker, it stopped Iran, really pushing westwards what happened with that invasion, and the often Martha's that tiptop the entire chessboard of Middle East power politics. And the result is that Iranian proxy militias are everywhere in Syria. In Lebanon in Iraq. They've got contacts with the Hutus in Yemen. I think the Iranian role in Yemen is exaggerated. But there's no question that. In iraq. Iran now has enormous influence and Iran is the big rival to Saudi Arabia. These are the two giants in that region. They can't stand each other the two regimes. So there is since the Islamic revolution in Iran in nineteen seventy nine the western consider that Iran is if not an adversary certainly not a country that it considers to be friendly frames. I think the United States Saudi Arabia has its ally against Iran. And I also think that this conflict is a kind of. As a referring from your good analysis is one between Sunnis and Shia and let me get some more callers here. Patrick is our next caller Patrick. Join us. Thanks for taking my call. You know, I really urge. Listeners. The audience, and he focused. Mind yourselves. This is just another replay of history likely had years ago. I'm actually spent a year Nicaragua. And I almost just replaced names. And it sounds like the Legos of international conflict Justice, phony back then. Tony east-west conflict of communism. Now, it's replaced with this phony. Back. Patrick, not a great connection. And I think we get your point. And I thank you for it. I'm gonna let it stand is an editorial comment and get two more callers. Let me go to Dan next, Dan. Thanks for waiting. You're on the air. Thank you for my call. I think that if is an extension of some of the fallout from the Iraq war something that we're not hearing much about. And also my question is how come we're not hearing about this until now I pay attention to the news. I new stuff was going on in Yemen. I knew was getting worse. But then all of a sudden we have three million malnourished children. Where's the media? And thank you for this show too. You know, Kurt. Thank you for the call. And let me go to you Hussein Louis Anderson oh relief organizations like yours have been trying to make contact with the media of obstacles or impediments. I mean, it's not easy. It's it's not a popular topic that it seems like, you know, when it comes to Yemen. It's it's easy for us. Except the bombing of these types of people in that space because it does no push. They used to have the people who are a lot of children, though, is a real human beings that we should put more attention to the fact that it's going under the radar is not surprising. And it sat word for all. You know, that that relate to we should it should be all of us relating to this. It should be getting more attention on the world's on the world stage in him. Yeah. Frank gardner. Go ahead. One of the reasons is that Yemen is an incredibly difficult and dangerous country for journalists to get into the reason al-qaeda presence said is a small ISIS presence. But the main problem is that the Saudi led coalition is simply not letting in most journalists it's very difficult to get in there. We've had some people in all a guarantee one of our correspondents has just been in there and done some very brave reporting from from from from parts of Yemen. What is stake here? Let's just have a quick look water the coalition. What are they actually trying to achieve? They're trying to reverse the illegal takeover by the Hutus in two thousand fourteen Yemen had something called him national dialogue. They almost everybody. How do you want to be ruled? How can we better see the way this country is run because it was run very corruptly by the previous president who paid off one group against another. And that was successful that dialogue. But then the hood is decided they working too much take over the capital, and they used the sour grapes. If. I can use that word the previous president. I lived Dallas. He was kicked up by the Arab spring. But he was so conceited that he thought Yemen copy room without me. And so he teamed up with the who he put his troops at that disposal. An allied them to take over half the country. So what the Saudis and their allies have been trying to do ineffectively has been to reverse that takeover to reestablish the UN recognized legitimate government of Yemen. They've done it in such a brutal. Ham fisted way that it's ended up not achieving anything. But killing an awful lot of people and wrecking the country, the brutality in the ham-fisted in a fascinating way reverberates through the Kosovo g killing and yet that was just one individual. We have so many people suffering by essentially, what you've I think correctly described as the methods of Saudi Arabia under its present leadership at this point one can just hope that things will take a different turn. There is at least as Frank Gardner pointed out some action being taken by the United Nations, and by the Brits, and the United States diplomats and one can cross one's fingers and hope that there will be a change. Let me thank you. Frank Gardner for joining us through the segment. Good to have you with us. Thank you can't Frank Gardner against BBC security correspondent and thank you Hussein Mossend. Good to have you with us and continued success. I hope in getting this relief over to your own country. I appreciate it. Thanks. And thank you our listeners for being with us. 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