Conservative Party, Pillai, Edward Heath discussed on Talking Politics
The first opportunity to bring him down on an issue. They agree with him. They all agree with coalition in Ireland, so it's very clearly personal now agree. But there's an irony to that, because it's the Irish question that's going to reassert itself as the problem for what will become the liberal. Party and Gladstone, who's played his own loyal Pillai in eighteen forty six is going to be also his political career and get into grape complications. Because the question when people talk about the conservative party, the modern conservative party was born with pill and having this extraordinary histories often describes the most successful election winning machine in, in the modern world and this notion that there is continuity over time. It is still recognizably the same party does have its roots in this moment, is that true to say Bala, you're all as we even have to put a little explicit warning. So that is politics, actually. That's the slogan of one of the parties. Where is the break? This is a very twentieth century line. It's not a nineteenth century line pill was basically loathed by solves about four. He's God, a traitor twice trader, and he's given grudging support from certain liberal elements who say what he wasn't one of us and he held up progress, but he did his job twice by accepting the need for important reform before it was too late. Is it world? So a useful stabilizing force, so we pack him on the head, but he's nobody's Epeli in that period. Basically, what happens as I see it all the peeling policies economic policies of social philosophy the Justice tomorrow that all goes into with gladsden into the stone in liberal party, liberal party is dominant until I war, collapses, very something very and aspects of liberalism. Go into the conservative party all go into labor. The aspect. That goes into the conservative party is the market economics, expect. So suddenly by twenty five people are starting to say, hey, here's his, the modem conservative party. It's very polite for one thousand nine hundred. Sorry, ninety twenty five p line. However, the great French stolen is the first person to see peel. Here's a key figure, and then you get the historical view of the mid twentieth, century, Belay, gash very, very, very, very dominant and popular peel, Israel, founded the conservative party, although there was a long detour. When I don't feel that way too. I think he got to say that the conservative party either owes itself to Disraeli to Soulsby, one of those two because there's a way of talent story because of the eighteen thirty four time with manifesto that seemed to set out the principles of conservatism in the post eighteen thirty to age, but, like right from the beginning, you've got people in the party who say this is got nothing to do with conservatism. Disraeli's question is, is what on earth is being conserved in this position? So it's not conservative in the literal. Meaning of, of that sense in this too many people in the party's boy said, just don't agree with it. I think it's interesting. The point when people in the conservative party themselves. Trying to claim peel as the hero there's a bit. I was reading earlier in the week, where Douglas Hurd, who biography of PR thing, I'm saying is trying to say, look, peelers who we all, too, but I think it's pretty difficult to see that unless as you say that you start saying that economic liberalism is a central part of what the conservative party is. And then, then you to struggle with the fine that it was the conservative party who turned away from this in terms of free trade been tried to Baldwin tried to in nineteen twenty three and lost seats in the general election as a consequence of doing, and then those national governments in the nineteen thirties dominated by the conservatives are the ones who then constructed imperial trade block, and do finally turn version away from free trade, you'd be hard pushed to describe the conservatives under Eden, and MacMillan and even him in the sixties as being very economically liberal. Maybe you can. Stop putting it back in with Edward Heath. But then it's not a coincidence, perhaps, that heath runs into the complete tension between the claims that he made his neekam modernize, if you like those won't talk about free market principles the problem of how you reconcile his desire to join the European Union with other traditions.