Michael Brown, Leon Williams, Katrina discussed on Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter


Course, this is all related to accountability. So I wanted to talk about your last episode of flood lines where you have this interview. there's lengthy interview with former FEMA director Michael Brown. You spoke with him for what six hours six hours. Yeah An and and you play the highlights and lowlights. In the final episode of foot lines. Why was it so critical to to sit down with him and and talk about what happened Well I mean I I thing is just I think a Product like this. Due Diligence and we really wanted to talk to people who were involved. In, the decision making we got it from him. We got it from general honorary. We talked to the police chief Eddie Compass We wanted to get their sides of the story and understand what it was like being in that pressure cooker but also it was important for us to talk to Michael Brown because he has become in lots of people's is the face or the scapegoat of the failure in responding to Katrina. And we wanted to talk to him about what the mistakes he that were made actually were looking from the inside whether we could trace the the history of those mistakes whether we could figure out. from his perspective. How we could. Do better the next time but also wanted to get a sense of personally what is like to be escape goat. Whether he had come to terms with his role in it whether he was willing to provide an apology for all the people who are demanding it from him in New Orleans we got a really. Complex Think. Human. Interaction on that and It's one of the pieces that I'm really glad we did it's worth listening to in full. There's a point where he he says that people need to understand that the government's not gonna come and save you. In. The midst of a disaster. Right. My paraphrase in that correctly does what he says no biting shining armor, right? It's GonNa be scary. You're going to be scared. It's going to happen and and then after your interview you went in and revisited one of your subjects. Leon Williams and and played some of this for her. Where he got he you know he don't to say he apologizes because. He's Reluctantly indignantly apologizing to her. that was. A it was meaningful though it was meaningful for both him and her and I think She says the knowledge man matters and. I don't think anybody walks away from it. Having their baseline emotional reaction changed I mean she still thinks he did a bad job at what he at his at his job. But it does represent to me part of the kind of reckoning that we need to do. After these kind of disasters where we do have people you know we can't. Abandon the process of holding people to account because it's been fourteen fifteen years and we can't stop talking to the people who were affected by it just because it's been fourteen fifteen years because. As we try to illustrate. Those were rubber rations they continue to a person's life they continue through generations, and so the act of reckoning is one that we will have to be doing and engaging in purposefully. As long as. We Can Ban. Thank you so much for talking with me. Thank you. And remind people the best ways to go and find flood minds. All right. So YOU WANNA go your browser the Atlantic Dot Com slash outlines place ago and he can also type in flood lines in any year the ways you podcast. Is True is well worth the listen man thank you so much. And just one postscript to this. We're taping on Friday. August twenty first. Big weather have right now is titled. To hurricanes.

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