Depression, Morita, Creech discussed on The Art of Manliness
Conflicts, how to act when you don't feel like it had to stay motivated when the initial rush of a new project, religion was worn off and whites better to have a purpose driven life rather than fee. Driven life Weiner conversation unpacking the idea that business is not the same as purposeful action in why we need self reflection to tell the difference between the two after the show's over. Check out the show notes at dot IS, slash art of taking action. Greg, Creech welcome to the show. Thank you bread. It's a pleasure to be here. So you run is to call the Todo stood up there in Vermont where you are basically introducing in Japanese psychology, which I had no idea existed until I read your book Japanese psychology to Americans. So start off talking about one facet of Japanese psychology moreda therapy, correct tests crap. Not right. So what is Maureen therapy and how does it differ from some what we're typically are, you know what we know about psychology in the west woke me to therapy was developed in Japan roughly about a hundred years ago, and most western psychology is really kind of rooted in European culture and philosophy. Going back to the days of Freud, where in in Morita therapy, you really see a form a model of mental health. That's. Drawing on eastern philosophy on Buddhist psychology on zen. And so it's really a very different paradigm than you find in most western psychology Revie like in the west, it's all about you lay down the metaphorical Mr. difficult couch, talk about the source of your problems by so doing talk therapy, or there's cognitive behavioral therapy, you figure out wrong thinking and then you fix that. Does Mauri did theory duty thing like that or do they go different route? Well, I would say for the most part, they do go different route. I think that one of things that characterizes a lot of western therapy Anders so many different models, but is a focused primarily on feelings. So I think the outcome that a lot of therapy is looking at is the idea of making people feel better or few more comfortable or somehow be cured by getting rid of unpleasant feelings like depression, anxiety, and the way I'm describing it actually sounds very attractive. Except that I would argue that it's not a ineffective and even meaningful outcome. And so it retu- therapy really does is it looks as the outcome is to really help us live our lives. Well, not by changing feeling states, but by learning to coexist with those feelings states, while we do the things that are really important for us to do our lives. And so instead of trying to kind of fix our internal world, whether that's through, you know, talk therapy your dream analysis or getting into our unconscious minds. It's really very practical approach, and we think of the east as being mystical, but it's really very practical approach of learning to cope with the ups and downs of our feeling states and the craziness of our thoughts, chaos in our mind and still be able to not just live functional lives, but actually do the things that are really important for us to do our lives. So Maria, they're, they're gonna, say, don't wait until you stop feeling depressed until you take action or do whatever you gotta do. You know, you have to. That you're gonna feel the press, but you can still take action on the things you you need to do in life? Yeah. I think with depression as with, I think a lot of unpleasant feeling states. There's a general sense that there's a sequence to kind of carrying ourselves in the sequences I to move from having an unpleasant feeling state to pleasant feeling states, essentially get rid of those feelings then we can actually live our lives well, and what you see in Morita therapy is the idea that we can actually coexist with those unpleasant feeling states even depression while we do things that are important for us to do in our lives and nice benefit to that, is that often by making that shift to actually taking action beginning to do those things, that's part of our cure that the the movement from being inactive, non purposeful to actually doing things that are very purposeful important to us actually is part of what makes it possible for us to learn to cope with those difficult and challenging internal states. Whereas you wrote a book summarizing Rita therapy and other facets, Japanese psychology called the art of taking action..