America, Central America, Belize discussed on Latino Rebels Radio
Once again, , this is Oscar Fernandez today on the show we put the spotlight on Belize and how the black lives matter movement shines a light on how believes is history has been excluded from Central American history, , and so we're joined today by Nicole Ramsey who's a Candidate in a Department of African. . American and African Diaspora studies at UC Berkeley she has an article that came out last month in medium entitled as Remind Central America to think outside the box she joins us today over the phone. . Welcome to show Nicole Ramsey. . Thank you for having me. . Excited to be here is good to have you with us. . I couldn't my introduction brief because actually pulled it from your article regards to Belize Central America. . Once again, , the Arctic was entitled Belise Remind Central America to think outside the box and when the central arguments you make in your article is that the black lives matter movement and I took this directly from your article shines a light on how belise history has been excluded from Central America. . So, with , that in mind, let , me just go right there to the beginning and ask if you could elaborate and state your argument by what you mean by the black lives matter as pertains to beliefs which in turn pertains to Central America. . Yeah for sure. . So what envisioning <hes> what I was in? ? When I came up with the article title <hes> you know those with everything that's going on. . There's been a lot of discussion and in terms of black lives matter and what that means for black population living outside the US <hes> I find a lot of conversations especially. . I'm really interested in like conversations that happen online. . I was really I guess interested in how people were conceptualizing black lives matter as mostly <hes> an African American movement <hes>, , which you know there's a particular history and reasoning of why how black lives matter came in to being. . particularly in the US. . <hes> but it was it was just very interesting to see how mostly folks from Latin America. . Caribbean. . <hes> Europe other places. . Outside <hes> saw that as distance from what was going on in their particular countries. . <hes>. . So. . In the case, of , Central, , America <hes> you know black lives have always mattered. . There's always been struggles of <hes>. . On, the , ground with black people fighting again, , know the colonial administration and anti-black midst especially <hes> what's going on with Garifuna communities across central? ? America. . <hes>. . So that's what I was thinking about. . That's what I had in mind when I, , came up with this article <hes> and it was just kind of talk about it later too because it's kind of like this long <hes> history of exclusion in the region and the region and how people conceptualize Central America so I thought in order for us to. . Even. Delve . into <hes> what You, , know black lives. . Matter Movement Looks Central America certainly have to acknowledge. . Black Communities and black histories in the region I. . so that's kind of where I was getting at and I'm a fan of history off it's kind of like a title things together. . Absolutely we just had a show last week on the Gutty Funez on Duras and in a large way they play a central role. . Belize as well. . So we'll get to them once again during the course of the conversation. . But with that said, , there are other groups that make Belize very complex as far as this community is concerned, , there's some other groups that need to be recognized. . So I wonder if you could also explain the complexity of the Afro Belizian community in believes because not every black person in Belize is necessarily a Gutty Fuda, , their other complexities and needs to be addressed here. . Correct. . Yes for sure. . And that's even including myself <hes>. . I'm not guarantee now I'm what you would consider creole. . So depending on. . The vantage point, , but you look at central. . America play believes etc. . Gua. . Even think accent complaints with endurance creole just like black. . Identity of black population mixture of blackness feeding back to the enslavement of large populations in the business. . <hes>. . So thinking about that identity <hes> in believes to historic. . Black Group <HES> are black creoles. . And the Afrin Vision is getting food and I say black correal's because it's. . It's <hes> common to meet somebody blond-haired blue-eyed of like, , who visually looks why to also call themselves. . And it's also the language that they also speak in believe. . So there's a lot of complexity there and fusion <hes>. . So I really like to say black creoles because also like the history of creoles and believe ties back to kind of that enslavement period. . And of course. . When I was there last full for feel work you have legal whole bunch of other. . <hes> black groups that are that have been in believe for quite some time you have like a very Pan Caribbean. . <hes> migration and group within believe. . So you can meet somebody from Jamaica. . You can meet somebody from Barbados Trinidad. . So that's also present there. . <hes>, , and then recently you have a lot of immigrants <hes> from. . The continent diamond a few people from Nigeria I. . Think someone someone from Ghana, , and then of course, , <hes> from Haiti as well. . <hes> considering migration Haitians to central. . So there's like different levels of that. . But in terms of like historic, , it's black KRILL and offering digits Garifuna and I do like to. . Talk about them within the compass of affable believers because there has been like a mixture between two. . It's not unusual to meet somebody with a creole mother and A. . Father vice versa <hes>. . So it kind of intertwined throughout but the cultures are very distinct <hes> and that's important to note they have a different history different time line of you know. . Experience within the country <hes>. . which kind of <hes> work to conceptualize <hes> how they're viewed within beliefs but I think that's very important <hes> to also considering language racial formations. . So yeah. .