Bill Ryan, Len Casten, Spielberg discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
Coast to coast, George Noory with you. We are joined by Len Casten had joined the US airforce aviation cadet program after graduating from Cornell University. And while in the air force, he experienced the off oh, and Connor that had a profound effect on his life, but it came years later, while working in Washington DC in the sixties, he felt drawn to join the national investigations committee on aerial phenomena, that was nycacc headed up by major Donald ki-ho at the time. Nightcap was the most prestigious organization of the country at the time investigating you Len. Welcome back to the program. Pleasure. I joined to when I was a kid I got my little certificate card and everything else. But God I loved it. Keio did a great job. And he was also. That's right. Exactly. That's a good point. How have you been? Pretty writing this new book coming out next year dark fleet. Looking forward to that. But we're we might as well book for next year already to get you back. Get. Much. Tell us a little bit. Let's go back a little bit and talk about planets sherpa because it has a lot to do with what we're going to talk about tonight. What was that program? It was an interesting. It was an interesting event. You know, you've had Bill Ryan on your show avenue. Yes. We sure have. Yeah. Bill knows a lot about Serpa, also animals. Ho Terry Cassidy. It really happened. It actually happened and it was kept under the under wraps along finally emerged, thanks to the DIA. They had a lot to do with it. It was a program of what transferring. Back and forth back and forth transferring program. No twelve Americans on us on an alien spaceship to, to that planet in nineteen sixty five did they come back. Thirteen years. Gosh, reminds me of the ending of that close encounters of the third kind movie. Remember that scene. Bad, actually. Left only seven came back. Five. Three of them died and decided to remain there. Really? Yeah. Absolutely. I'm not sure. That was a question I asked at contact in the desert this weekend. If you would go on an ET craft one way and not come back in half of the panelist said they not go the other half said they would. I'm not. Say that advance that they would stay there surprises, because that's likely planet one hadn't even seen in. Want to stay. But after being there for thirteen years, they decided they liked it. They're two of them tuned. We're was this planet what system was? Then. About thirty nine light years from our sun, our solar system. Isn't that the same planetary system that we think the Barney, and Betty hill case might have originated from? Many. Many planets around that particular son actually actually it's a binary son two sons. They're in the system. That's the reason that our people never had any darkest there, because there was always one in the sky. So always right there. They're close encounters came out late. Seventies, I think. Closing counters came out in, I think it was a seventy seventy seven. Okay. Right. Do you think they fed Spielberg some of this information? However, he wrote the screenplay in one weekend at the sharing Evelyn's hotel in New York City, it could not possibly have done that, if he didn't have wasn't being fed the information, and he was getting the information from the DIA. Did they give him the information because they wanted to start leaking this out or or what happened? Long in the public that the public had a right to know this because it was an important story. And so the DIA people who released it. Wanted it known. And this was the best way they could do. It was through Spielberg. He just made a tremendous hit with jaws. Right. Toady was the right guy for it any. He did a great job. Great movie. And people still talk about it today. As a matter of fact. Twelve people lined up ten minutes to women lined up in our suit, moving glasses on and everything else, you're. Strong sunglasses because they knew in advance that the sun was very bright. On special, and Spielberg. Brought that out Len with it was an amazing program, both the movie and probably the project serpico has the project ended or is it ongoing? No, it did not end we to relation diplomatic relationship with those civilization. And there were several other visits back and forth after that. And in the case of one visit which took place at an island in the Pacific. We invited other other countries to attend invited China invited Russia. We invited the Vatican. The craft that was used to get us back there. Of course, have we ever reversed engineered it? Well, we did yes, we did reverse engineer that craft. And as fact that was that was the so-called. Nineteen sixty four craft landed in northern New Mexico. Mora was right. Coral. That was the one that was the one that was the one that landed at the wrong place. They landed Nisa Koro instead of home force base. But then they got finally got a message and they went back to. And they stayed in orbit while the other one landed. Was actually sent to craft here. It was that case, the lonnie's Amora case that conveys j Allen Hynek that maybe this is really happening. The one that said it was the most convincing case on record exactly. Exactly, it changed his view. Exactly. And because it was a huge egg-shaped craft sitting on the ground on legs. And there were two small creatures standing in front of it in white uniforms. And when they realized that they were being observed they jumped in took off, they went for a while. I always thought that that case might have been in experiment with the lunar Lander that they have out there somewhere because it kind of sounded like it. But it but at the more I got into it lend the more, I realize now Morris us something from out of this world. That incident occurred on April twenty four sixty four which was the exact date that the aliens had told us they would be coming. That's how coincided it was apps. Absolutely right. On target Lynn. What kind of propulsion system did they have? And do they have? Well, they had anti-matter technology. We know that. But they also knew how to travel through wormholes and journey. Took took them ten months from one to the end to the other. So it must have been true. It must have been to a wormhole travel is actually instantaneous, but navigating from the entrances to the wormholes, take some time, and that's probably how they how they up the other ten nine months. I mean, once you go through a wormhole bending space and time where one end and another end basically touch each other, and you're right. It is instantaneous. Once they do that. And we've now learned we've now learned that the, the so-called wormholes are really part of a much larger web that permeates the, the, the whole solar system. It's like a spider's web. And once you get into the web, then you go to a Stargate and you your travels, instantaneous, when you wrote the book secret journey to planet surp- home, which was back in two thousand thirteen I think, how did you come across the story? How did how did this come to you? I spent a in a shuttle craft with Bill. Ryan. I witnessed and he talked about the whole the whole trip when he was talking about it. I mean, did you say Bill? This is way out. Come on now. He wasn't talking directly to me. He was talking to somebody else. And I was I was listening to it. It's a small small cab. Sure. And he dominated the conversation. I said it was it was a level of conviction. That convinced me because he definitely he definitely believed it, and it made sense to me, and I started doing the research, right after that trip and he had too much detail to just simply make this up. Exactly. And not only that. But once you go to the website. That was put out there by the DIA so much information that it's mind boggling fourteen thousand words in the web on website. Which was created by Bill created website. No, that's where all the information comes from, and somehow Carl Sagan, who wrote the book contact was a great astronomer on his own. He was somehow consulted about this. Tell me about that. Consulted. Yeah. They, they consulted him because they needed more information about these astronomy all the astronaut details. And he he provided the information, but he could never admit to it. Because he was too, too much involved with the program at Cornell, and he didn't wanna lose his position by making these making some touch, and nutty claim same. So same university, you went to yes. Yes. He went to Cornell. He was the head of the department there, and he was brilliant. He's brilliant. But. The whole thing was said. The people who wrote who wrote the website needed his needed input and. But he wrote nevertheless, he did write about it in fiction in pixel form. He wrote the book contact. That's right. So that was really his way of releasing the what he knew about the information what he knew about situation because publicly he would always talk about extraterrestrial life out there. But he never admitted publicly that they were here. He kept that to himself. He couldn't he couldn't really. He has a head of the department or an Ivy league university. He probably would have lost his job. Yeah. That's true. It. Took the wiser, course and nevertheless, he's still become an immortal guy. He's he's really missing his own right now. The agency that ran the department was created for this Defense Intelligence Agency was was that. President Kennedy nineteen sixty two okay in McNamara's secretary of defense, they had troubles with CIA is, you know, as everybody knows and Kennedy threatened to break it up into a thousand pieces. I think you know that, right. Mhm. Part of the reason why he was done in. Yes. Yes, probably. But that's what motivated him to start the DIA, which was a more comprehensive intelligence agency, that took took into account all of the services, not just the navy or the airforce for the all three combined. It was mainly concerned with fun, pardon intelligence, who is the I was supposed to be too. But the CIA got more absorbed with, with domestic until exactly. Is there an agency that is still overseeing this kind of project? But yeah, the DIA still exists. So there's still the, the watchdogs for this. It's grown is grown to be a huge agency. I think it's even larger than the CIA now. Now, the, the aliens from serbo have been called Evans. Well, yeah. One of our people came up with that term because it stands for extraterrestrial, biological entity, and that was very unimaginative very. Call them even and they got named even stock there still evens how much cooperation has there been land between them and us. A lot of cooperation we discovered a diplomatic relationship with the newer nine nine visits back and forth. And I'm quite convinced even though I hadn't been reported anywhere. I'm sure that we sent our own spaceship, there, believe it or not. General generally, when they came here, I remember and close encounters, of course, it was way out into the hinterlands in the desert by the, you know, some mountain range, where. When they. Where did they normally land? Holloman Air Force base, right next to the white, white, white sands, proving ground have. That's where they landed nineteen sixty five the witnesses must have been amazing. But they're all military people than I guess. People government people.