Simmons Simmons, Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons discussed on First Things First
A better version of the Lakers here in a couple of weeks than you're seeing right now. Six years picked up very much needed win at home last night albeit be it over the lowly Chicago Bulls Joel Embiid at Twenty eight points. While Ben Simmons put up a triple double phileas dominated bad teams all season probably because they're bad teams twenty one and six against teams below five hundred twelve and fifteen against teams above five hundred. All right nick if you had to shoes would you rather build a team around. Joel embiid or Ben Simmons because we are getting to the point where it seems like you are now going to have to choose breezy if you'd have told me when there's the four seconds left in game seven of the Eastern Conference semifinals and the sixers are down to and Jimmy Butler streaming up court seemingly neither force overtime or maybe pull up taking three. Try To win the game right there. That nine months later we'd be talking about breaking up the sixers sixers Butler would be gone that. Jj would be gone that now. We're talking about which who can you keep Benner. Joel said you're crazy. Like this is going to be filling walk walk in the east for the next decade but the way phillies played and the lack of maturity shown by their two stars and the lack of cohesiveness. which with those two guys on the court at the same time makes this legitimate question and to me? The easy answer is I'd rather build around and beat. I'd Rather Trade Simmons. I think that embiid while I don't think he has reached his full. Potential is certainly closer and a guy who has shown the ability if he can stay in shape and if he can get some of the NBA maturity stuff better in check he can be dominant force in a league that is going small. Having the biggest strongest potentially one of the toughest guys in the League can be an enormous benefit when he's as nimble as joyless shown the ability to be. Meanwhile Ben Simmons if I show you video of him and and I don't tell you what year it is. You have no idea what what you're watching whether it's first you've been second year. Ben Simmons This Year Been Simmons. He's the skill set that made him a tremendous rookie. Makes him disappointing at this point in his career to me. There's no way around that would that I do think he is trade value. I do think there'd be teams that want him teams names that don't have a big man clogging the paint that like what he could do so I would if I have to trade him Howard. I'm trading been because I do think he has enormous value and and I'm keeping Joel. I can't disagree. I can't disagree and by the way if anybody thinks. Oh It's premature or why are these people already talking about trying to break these guys up the media. He's trying to let me tell you something. This is the conversation around the entire NBA. This is what other teams are talking about to. That those two do not click well together. The sixers have hit a ceiling and that it's inevitable whether it's this summer or by next year's trade deadline whatever it's going to be. The clock is ticking. On Simmons Simmons and embiid now that's ultimately up to the sixers to decide not all of the chatterboxes around the NBA. But that is the buzz around the league and to your point Nick I Eileen and beat. Also it's not just the makeup the fact that he's a seven footer. WHO's got some guard skills? It could do damage inside and out and the power and the Nimble nece all of that. It's that Joel embiid cares. I liked seeing tears from Joel. EMBIID's is after they were eliminated by the raptors. I liked the passion. That was behind that now. If you want to say. Yeah but he didn't follow up he didn't come back in the best shape or he didn't find I get that he cares. I look at Ben Simmons and I don't know sometimes James He is so just just kind of emotionless. I don't even know how he just just very stoic out there and that doesn't not necessarily mean you don't care right. Kawhi Leonard showed us you can be stoic and still have a great passion burning inside Qu is also shown us how much he cares by every single year of his career. Yes coming back with the new skill or an improve still or police players to us. You can if you're not going to tell us you care through your emotions you have to show Louis Shukeir through the evolution of your game so to speak and we just haven't made. I was genuine. Remember a couple years ago. I was as big of a Ben. Simmons was because I said we focus on the one thing he does poorly instead of all the other things he does great and the argument was of course. He'll get better at that one thing but he hasn't and he had maybe maybe he's tried to get better in practice. But in the Games there's been no evidence whatsoever that he has any willingness. Shoot the basketball and that at this point in twenty twenty. You can't win that way. The thing that concerns me the most nick was earlier. I think it was in this series. Museum the preseason where when the subject came up of his refusal to shoot in his reticence to shoot it was basically. I'm an all star like that was an actual exchange that happened. You can't think that way you know we're all talking about for the last few weeks all the lessons. We learned from Kobe Bryant in his career. What did Kobe do consistently throughout his career? He worked on his game. He strove to get better and he constantly added things. Nobody can come into this league. No matter how talented you are and so you know what I'm GonNa all star laurels. It just doesn't work that way not in the NBA. And we're not in a place in time right now where you're GonNa have a head coach that's going to force for C.. To do certain things that you don't want to do in the question with this team now becomes what's more likely to happen. Ben Simmons Learns How to shoot or Joel embiid gets in shape that kind of shape. You want to see him play. I and I think you guys are both saying Joel. EMBIID is the one that's most likely Howard. I've seen Joylin shape and and I think one of the things where I try to be fair with you. All I'm standing might have some eating habit habit issues. Whatever that is because he's at injury issues and because he's so big he can't do the regular conditioning guys need to do? He's going to have to at times. Play his way into shape. Because key can't do all of the off season things cardiovascular wise that you would need to do Rian tiptop shape because he does have to be careful on his lower our body in the lower extremities and him rot running five miles for example takes more wear and tear than just about any other player in the league. Other than other other than Marjanovic. You know what I mean running five miles because of how big is and so I do. I don't want to give them say I give him a pass but I understand it. The Simmons stuff's inexcusable fan hand. And the attitude stuff that you you. You're much closer league circles than I am but I still hear certain things I mean. People do wonder is Ben Simmons more infatuated with being a star. Then he is with being a star player like that is a real. I don't know been so I can't speak into it. I know that is whether it's true or not. A question people around the League have about it and it's not an unusual and I don't know when Ben Simmons well enough to know either whether that's the case but it is the case that happens with NBA players right. We know that this happens. There are some guys who are more about the lifestyle and the limelight and the pay day than they are about a passion passion for winning and again this goes back to my just distance observation of these two guys embiid has a passion and carrying there that you can see that's evident. His emotions are on his sleeve. Ben Simmons does not it makes me wonder one quick follow point because Ben Simmons might be on the trade block this summer. This was one of the reasons that I thought that Golden Gordon State trade was such an abomination that if the warriors and the number one pick they have the worst record. I know you're far from it. I wonder what Phillies says to de Ngelo Russell Russell in the number one pick four cents can do better. You think who can do but I think the sixers can do better. If Simmons is on the block they are going to be able to do better than even that. Okay Fair enough because I think been actually would fit great in Golden State. Because he doesn't need to shoot because you have all the shooting the world around you and I think will be much better fit next to Joel even though Ben might be a better player than de Ngelo Russell. It's just the been simmons comes available. I think there's going to be a lot of people feel like we can fix what ails them or we. We don't want won't even ask him to change. Because we don't have Joel embiid clawing in pain. Look we've done the sixers so many times. Every time we finish could easily say the same sentence you can count on one hand the amount of times times. Ben Simmons is shot a three point. What is it? Three or four has more threes than he does talks football now onto.