Tom Joscelyn, Twitter, Congressman Devin Nunes discussed on John Batchelor
Is the John Batchelor show. Congressman Devin Nunes, representing Fresno. And the San Joaquin valley. Twenty two California has a podcast that I pay close attention to and this because he's right in house intelligence having served as chair of house intelligence these last year. He turns to the question about Qaeda, an existential threat to the United States and his conversation with Tom Joscelyn, a senior fellow at the foundation for the defensive democracies and a colleague of both of ours. We've talked to him over the years. Congressman Devin, a very good evening to you your conversation with Tom is especially helpful for people who are coming to the story. Not having lived through the last nineteen years, and Tom is very careful to expedite where al-qaeda came from the leadership. What do you take from Tom's remarks? Do you believe the American people are keenly aware of the scale of this threat or they've been diverted by say Russia and ISIS last year is good evening Thanks, john. And Tom Joscelyn is a regular to your show as you know, and I'm a big fan of his he does a great job at the long war journal. And really, there's no better expert on Al Qaeda and their affiliates, and even ISIS and other terrorist groups anywhere around the world. But he he just a top notch guy and one of the things that that I do on my podcast is different than yours. You're you're more current events. You're doing the events of the day. I like to do things that are a little more historical. And so what I asked Tom to do is walk the basic person through that maybe has never heard anything ever about Al Qaeda, walked them through the beginnings. And let's do a whole couple shows teaching people about what Al Qaeda was how it formed what it became all the things that they did. And then of course, where they're at today. So that was all we had part one last Friday is very very well done and part two. Welby posted tomorrow, the Al Qaeda threat, your measure, the scale of it is it contain now or is it larger than ever? It really is. It's contained growing and some dangerous parts we had the obviously, you know ISIS. We're really was was came out of Al Qaeda, and so you had essentially for for lack of a better definition. You had an explosion that turned into ISIS, as you know, we've spent now the last few years cleaning that mess up kicking them out of their caliphate. The problem is is that they still simmer in places. And and they grow into a lot of other spots around the globe, including many parts of Africa sub Saharan Africa. Demogra- and also in western Africa. And so those are simmering growing. Small affiliate affiliates starting here and there, but the bottom line is, you know, these guys at at some point there will be a terrorist attack again, which is why we and our allies have to remain vigilant and tracking down this radical Islamic threat, one of the mysteries of Al Qaeda. Not just where it came from because it had its origins with a franchise idea that bin Laden a well educated and extremely plush life in Saudi Arabia had back in Afghanistan when the Soviets were the invaders and the US through the was aiding the resistance, they are early resistance the mujahedeen. However, we turn to the story of Somalia much in the news because new member of congress from this Amalia delegation. That transferred to America during those years of the twentieth century, Somalia and Mogadishu remembered as a pretty good combat movie Black Hawk Down and a sad story of the Clinton administration. Your measure congressman did the did the United States and the Clinton administration recognize Al Qaeda that early after the Mogadishu tragedy. Well, you're you're giving away from what was on a podcast last week, John. And I it sounds like you might have learned something as I did. Yes. I did. I did not know I was not aware of those clear connections to al-qaeda that Tom Joscelyn is tracked down and talks about on last week's podcast. It was very very interesting to me. And because we missed that signal. It reminds me that there have been a lot of myths signals over the years. Out two thousand and one is a notable Al Qaeda hit us, and we knew that there was going to be an attack. That's just a note would be in New York City in Washington. So what I take from Tom's recitation is that Al Qaeda is never going to be where we're looking for it. And there will be signals, but it's in the nature of the US government. I guess that we miss we miss signals, and you only have to miss one for for catastrophe. That's right. Which is why we have to remain vigilant. And and where they're they're all these pockets, we have to use our counter terrorism capabilities that we have built up over the last twenty years that are actually are very very good very capable. I just have to make sure that we use them against terrorist radical Islamic terrorists in any other terrorist versus turning them onto political camping Afghanistan. Afghanistan was a staging of bin Laden moved there after small after Somalia at not after Somalia after he was kicked out of Sudan. He moved there and Afghanistan now is a winding down phase. We're told their various words used by the Trump administration following the Obama administration following the Bush administration. We're always winding down in Afghanistan. But it's Tom Joscelyn and his colleagues, Bill Roggio has opinion and their colleagues that al-qaeda remains a potent threat, and is based either in Pakistan or AFC. Ghanistan and Devon I don't think that Tom or Bill or any of them have a solution for this other than vigilance. Yeah. That that's the challenge. Right. So I I don't believe that the Trump administration is is moving in the right direction. Here. I do not believe that we should be working with the Taliban at all. But you know, look, I tried it Bush tried it. So this is not just this is dot Trump's fault. It just just looked up the bottom line is there's no solution. What we've done there for the last eighteen years is not is not working something new needs to be tried. You know, I would prefer them to try something else other than negotiating with the Taliban. But now they're going back through the, you know, the so-called experts handbook that existed at the State Department and with the our intelligence agencies and they're going through the same chapter again. And they're going to try it again, my vice to has been to the White House to just skip that chapter and go and try something new that hasn't been tried yet. Because this is this has been tried, and and it will not work at the close of part one of your conversation with Tom Joscelyn. You mentioned that Tom's tweets he uses Twitter that long war journal, which is where Tom and Bill. Joe and others file uses tweets. But that Tom Joscelyn's tweets never contained any content, and it's puzzling to Tom and to you what what does that mean? Devon. Well, it's this has been going on for a couple of years where Tom Joscelyn who's not political at all. He doesn't talk about Republicans or Democrats yet, he talks about Al Qaeda at radical Islam, and it's just a it's just another ridiculous example of how Tom's off lead. Who is a it was an expert on counterterrorism is trying to get out. Good information. But you know, his thoughts and at his historical background doesn't jive with what some algorithm that was created by left-winger subway or within the Twitter sphere working for Twitter working for the Twitter police and they've been policing his tweets for two years. Tommy, positive, Devon. It's a total puzzle. It wasn't until you brought it up to Tom that it occurred to me I've been looking at that for two years and not ask why? Why why why would you? Why would anybody want to censor? Tom Joscelyn who's doing their hard work of analyzing what the US is challenged with in Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and Sudan and Syria. That's what he does. It's it's it's totally ridiculous. And it's the admit it's a great argument for what I'm sure many of your listeners are aware of that. I'm taking a Twitter to court for this for censorship. Yeah. We give Twitter and Facebook, and these other social media companies think a lot of people don't realize they get special deals. They're not treated like your company, John that you worked for Cumulus. And they're not treated like, Fox News. And and the major newspapers they had a special. Special deal where they're supposedly treated as a public square. And in fact, they're not they're censoring conservatives, they're censoring people like Tom Joscelyn because he writes about things at the left doesn't want out there. So they are clearly in bed with the laugh. Whoever is drawing up their algorithms that are running the Twitter police, they're they're they're a danger to our society because they're controlling what content people can receive just imagine over the last two years had Tom Joscelyn and Bill Roggio and others. If Americans would have been able to read their information, but unfortunately, they're censored, and instead we get garbage that we are like we can't say the term radical Islamic terrorists. Devin Nunes, congressman Devin Nunes ranking on the house intelligence committee. He's from Fresno, California. That's the San Joaquin valley. The breadbasket to the solar system to be continued with Tom Joscelyn and more on the Twitter sphere and the Taliban future. I'm John Batchelor. This.