Listen: UK Labour Party to Begin Contest to Succeed Corbyn as Leader
"The starting gun was probably fired this weekend in the race to become the next leader of Britain's main opposition Labor party it has already become a crowded field with each candidate trying to offer a clean break with the past yet unwilling to upset the Labor hardcore. He seems to be the only people he wanted to vote for them. In last month's general election Who wants to begin? I I let me start with you. Whoever takes over from Jeremy Corbyn does so from a position of absolute rock? Bottom for the party. Don't don't they let let's sort of set the scene I well. Let's hope so From their point of view that it's rock bottom because sinking further would not be a good thing and that's the spirit I think. Yes I mean. Obviously the last election was a disaster. I mean particularly I think a lot of the figures that came out made it pretty clear that in fact the Tory vote hadn't uneven increased that much it was more that the Labor voted collapsed. There was a very big problem for the neighbor policy. And I think a lot of that looking at the polling was to do with Jeremy Corbyn personally there was so say Brexit was a big issue for them But I think overwhelmingly it was coming out in the polls the person she with him say almost anybody who replaces aces him is kind of starting with the level of improvement there and in a sense brexit policy now moves into different states because of course we know Brexit is going to happen on the thirty first of January. And then there's a we're going to move into negotiation stage on withdraw and all of that now that kind of changes the mechanics of that for Labour leader. They can't anymore. There's not much political to revoke cool. Remain or anything like that or they just Phillips did talk yesterday about rejoin as a future possibility But I think really it changes the mechanics. It's about them talking. Just opposing do want this posted as an opposition government opposing what the Conservatives are doing so. We're probably going to hear it. Also talk about you know Brexit is going wrongly their mishandling it etc so we have the runners and writers stepping up Mary ranging from Remain human rights lawyer. Who is a shadow? A shadow secretary He campaigned hard for a second referendum. To someone who wants to think about rejoining to cookie cookie cutter copies but in the female email form of the Jeremy Corbyn style which went down so badly with the voters. Well I think we have to look really whether it did go down so well so badly with the voters because on the one hand yes. There appears to have been an antipathy towards Jeremy Corbyn personally but when you look at the demographic of the Labor Party vote what you see is actually quite a big enthusiasm if not for Corbin personally then for his policies very left wing very old-fashioned socialist policies of nationalization subsidies all sorts of things that we haven't seen in for decades they were very popular with a generation who were in there in the earliest stages of their youth during the financial crisis. And I think this this battle as it were for the soul of the Labor Party. It's not over yet And we're looking at the moment almost only half of it in terms of the candidates who have declared so far who want to be leader. Because we're looking at center center Yes cure storm to the left. But this the there's a big gap there And we have to ask whether this is whether whether the the old style Blair. It's do they exist anymore. They certainly don't exist very much in the parliamentary party as it was elected elected at the At the last election. But where is somebody. For instance like Yvette Cooper. Where is the where the noise is coming from? Somebody who's been incredibly vocal on the sidelines from his privileged perch in New York David milliband where where people who can influence that wing of the party. We haven't heard from them yet. Does that mean that that's over. The Labor is actually varying not exactly to Corbin awesome but that is sort of more the shape of the future then Blairism or any of them up to it Mary. Well I mean. I saw some comments yesterday which was the first day really. Really of sort of Campaigning on Sunday. Talk shows where the was some comment among sort of professional political pundits. Who said actually this could shape up to be quite a sort of a thoughtful election representing a lot of different currents in the Labor abor party But of course that has its plusses and minuses. We saw during the Tory party leadership. Election there again. You had some very different prince strands and what you've come at. What you've come out with is Boris Johnson and the right as far as Brexit is concerned? But maybe not as far I things consent feather appear to be two enormous jobs here. Alex which I is the the idea of rebuilding shattered party which does does not have a unified core. And secondly won't you have rebuild shattered party. You have to be strong enough to take on the Conservatives and not only beat them but beat them so much that you bring back. All the voters deserted them for the Conservatives in the last election in that is a double task of of huge huge proportions and bring about more than the ones who deserted them because remember Labor already were in a minority so actually doing back even more than their deserted voters says and and in specific places it is a tremendous task and it's always been difficult for Labor in the last few years particularly. There are huge divides in their own. Vote Their their membership is actually overwhelmingly remain But of course in those northern seats they lost Brexit was a problem for them because a lot of Labor members in those seats are are actually much more leave so these people want something very different than how united policy that is so split on. Those different issues is a tremendous challenge. I think mirror some actually quite promising candidates but it will be very interesting to see where it goes at the moment the polls have Kissed her in the lead And I mean you know it will be interesting you see. Of course everything can be shaken up during the campaign. Go and tell me who you are promising. Candidates his Co. your is it possible leader. Well do you think kissed has a certain competence to him actually I think it's interesting to see some younger people from the left of the party. Stepping up people like Clive Lewis I would say just phillips as a slightly more centrist candidate who who is reasonably credible And you know they're all these different voices coming up. Who are quite interesting and it will be a big choice flavor which those they go for Os? I think Angela. Rayner is very promising. Who I think is standing for deputy leader From the kind of soft mid left of the party is like find degrees between centralism. Gobert is that they have Mary would what are your thoughts on on what Alex just said. I mean the mentioning of a storm is seen as the leader at the moment the leading candidate despite the fact that he is called Sir. He is absolutely very very keen to storch stress the fact that he has very humble working class backgrounds his mother was a nurse and he just happens to have done the right thing. Some are suggesting that he's the right leader. But I the four years to Leo Leo few years too late Yes. I think there is some truth in that And I don't think it's just the Sir that his kissed Armas Problem I think think he would be seen by as it were younger. Newer members of the Labor Party who joined because of Corbin He will be seen as the establishment candidate and somebody that they they will not support You know it's been it's been said ever since Labor's loss in in the election that They've got not just this huge task to unite the party. But do they will uniting leader. Actually come from the London establishment. This is the this is what kissed on represents percents. I don't know if you're a woman over forty. Five apparently secure has rather something delicious about in this Christmas dinners. But you know if you're not a AH London metropolitan women over forty five. He might not be your bag but just looking at where the next leading light could come from Alex it when I look at the way that the United Kingdom is at the moment reminds me of France about three or four years ago when the Socialists collapsed and the main political structure just didn't it didn't seem to know what to do and and then suddenly Emmanuel macron comes in with almost a brand new party a brand new voice and a bit of razzle-dazzle to boot they. They sort of tried this in the United Kingdom last year with a I can't even remember change. Could change something lasted about ten minutes. But it was one of those little flag-waving flagwaving harassing come on. Let's have a breaking the mold. Oh we is the United Kingdom so stuck in a moment here that it contacting make space for foot for newness and change that that way. I think there's a tremendous problem with the current setup half the effective two party system which had the Lib Dem's done better? We might not be talking about tea fussy system but we really are now because because they didn't break through and as Fayez Change. UK The Independent group all of these various sorts of incarnations of of trying this kind of mass challenge absolutely kind of founded and just did not take flight tool But there is a problem in that we have a social system which is a is a funny compromise permits anyway and that we have a system that was designed refused to vote for an individual. MP I mean actually policy names weren't even on the ballot paper until the night at the end of the nineteen sixties. You just had to vote for your your local. MP and you have to find out who they were vote for the candidate you like so now. We have quite strong party affiliations. Everything is very whipped. All of that and those names are on the ballot paper and yet we're we're still voting for the individuals so there's a sort of complicated compromise I think going on in terms of what you want what you should vote. And they're sort of how we got a party. She system grafted on to a kind of individual constituency. first-past-the-post system and I think that is bringing up these events contradictions and great difficulties for actually eighty four. Both big parties going forward. I mean you know the Conservatives also have a problem demographically in the future and that they're under fifty The fifties actually the majority labor in most cohorts now which is much more extreme? It used to be so as they're kind of older more brexit voters pulse on and They how are they going to speak to younger. Generation who don't own homes don't have job security don't have pensions and therefore so traditional conservative values. This don't necessarily speak to them and it's going to be for them. I think there's another question about why the UK can't produce contact figure. which is that? We don't have a presidential the system And even though this past election was fought I would say on much. More presidential style lines. The was corbin versus versus says Boris Johnson Nonetheless To campaign in a presidential election where people have direct votes for individuals then an individual candidate can make that sort of mark between parties or different from parties setting themselves above those structures. We don't have that possibility ability."