Interview With Elle Hearns


My guest is L. hearns. L. Is the founder of the Marketer P Johnson Institute, and if you follow me on my socials which by the way. Why do you listen to this podcast and not follow me on my socials but if you do, you would have seen L. on my instagram during the share, the Mike Now Campaign we talk about that. But also the Marshall Institute and I was just incredibly grateful to L. for her time and In that takeover of my instagram and then also to come on the podcast. So please Andrey this episode. Feeling. Still No no no Caralis? Awesome. Why always have guests introduce themselves when you introduce your? So absolutely My name is l. her I am the founder and executive director the Marsha p Johnson Institute my pronouns are mandatory and they are she her in her and I am a native of Columbus Ohio. I've never heard somebody say my prone mandatory. Let's pretty cool. Is that is that a state is unafraid use often. I do I think we've kind of bought into this idea that. Are Nouns are available for interpretation as opposed to being ways that we honor not who we are but I, we expect others to honor who we are. So I let people know you know that my pronouns are mine I try my. Best, to respect others you know especially under the guise of assumptions we assume people's pronouns more than we like to admit. Sure. How do you navigate that in your life? Do you find that you often ask folks for their pronounced? Asked when we first met I, think you asked early very early in the conversation. Yeah. For me I interchange. So I go. Between, using gender neutral pronouns for people whose pronounce I'm not aware of or acts directly specifically more intimate interactions that acts but though. At intimate I use just neutral language to be as respectful as I can. So you like. So in that case, you're going to default to them what you're saying yeah. Yeah. You know I always ever. Do at at, it was very difficult for me because you know as a Trans Woman I came into this kind of larger understanding of transmits. After. Leaving jail, and so the pronouns that are used for you in jail are. Very different than the pronouns of the world and so you know just in my life even prior to jail in just different experiences that I had a pronouns where not necessarily something that I saw people. To define for themselves.

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