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I think a lot of our culture beginning with the myth the fall Smith of manifest destiny and how that

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Yeah I think a lot of it was a form of poetry you know I I admit that I've never been in a fiction workshop mmhm so a lot of my thinking around the novel is informed by poetry and how it is a form that requires fracture in order to realize itself and I think a lot of our culture beginning with the myth the fall Smith of manifest destiny and how that enters our creative process a lot of writers are told that they must fill the page they must get to a quota they must get the word count and we're we're told that we must conquer the white space we must fill the endlessly we must overwhelm it and even though the metaphors we use to create as metaphors of war I'm wrestling with the news I'm I'm

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