"Other than That's what I want to do. Do you weren't terrified of a things that you saw in the civil war when you were a child visiting relatives? I wasn't terrified because at the time I I wasn't I didn't really know what some of them were. I remember evenings when I would watch the red tracer bullets, and they would go from one neighborhood to the other end, And I thought they were fireworks, and that's what my relatives told me at the time because I was just kid. So you know, I saw things three young girls on his, but in a very different way from little huddle ho as much smarter than I ever was. And she was much more aware of what w- what was happening around her and to her and to her family into our community. You're talking about children and civil war there. There's an image in your book That's really hard to shake. It's of a girl who whose head has been split open the shrapnel in her neck shrapnel in her eye, and the doctor is working on her without anesthesia and the thinking, What is it like to be a child experiencing that level of civil war and being wounded and who? I don't even know what situation her parents were in at that moment. Yes, she was calling out to her mother, and she was crying out for a mother and her mother wasn't there, but her father was he held her hand as the doctor operated on her without anaesthetic in her screams filled the hospital at night. And they into mingled with all the all the screams that were in the hospital. Let evening. Did you talked to her directly at all? No, No, I it wasn't the time to talk to her. It was it was a mad mad night, something like twenty five thirty five people were killed in airstrikes that night and they were coming into the hospital, the dead, The wounded. It was just Absolute pandemonium. It wasn't the time to talk to a little girl who was being operated on. Instead. I stood in the corner next to the doctor and I watched what happened on I listened, and I wrote it all down. I can't imagine what it's like to be apparent in a situation like that. Nia heartbreaking heartbreaking to see your child in pain and visit. Nothing you can do about it. He just the her father just held her hand and told us should be, okay. That was all that he could do. I mean, this little girl was having the base of her skull stitched without anaesthetic without any think. And it was just heartbreaking. Did you experience any barrel bombs being dropped? Yes. Yes. Many times many, many times lets you know better barrel bombs are on particularly horrific, their unguided weapons. So and the dropped from helicopter gunships So so many times. Uh, you'd you'd you'd see you could see it. So Syrians would stop with they were doing And they stare at the sky watched the barrel falling because it was guided only by gravity and by the wind. So you're looking at at wondering which ways it going to fall so that you know. Which way to run, or you think, you know which way to run as So it's it's um, it's quite surreal to just see people all around. You stop in stare at the sky while this thing. Tears through the air, it has a sound that is unmistakable. It, it rips the heirs is coming down with a boop boop boop kinda in intensity and then it land somewhere and it explodes in and the splinters in the Niles and whatever else is in it. Uh, you know, uh disperse. But Tom, it's, it's it's particularly nasty. Let's take a short break here and then we'll talk some more If you're just joining us. My guess is journalist Rania Abu Zayd her new book is called no turning back life loss and hope in wartime Syria, and she's covered the war since two thousand eleven when the uprising started, We'll be right back. This is fresh air, no support for this podcast. And the following message comes from ABC presenting American idle this singing competition. That started it all has a new home on ABC and the journey to find the next great American singing sensation is about to begin superstar judges Luke Bryan, Katy Perry in Lima Richie joined co-host Ryan Seacrest in the search to find your next American idle. The American idle journey continues tonight at eight seven central on America's network ABC Ne. When you're being bombed, unlike the Syrians who actually live in Syria, you'll be able to get out seeming or not injured. You'll be able to get out and get back home. Um, but um, I I remain Are you concerned about post traumatic stress? It's a sing for stuff. It's a thing, and it's something that our community needs to, um, take seriously in it. Does I let you know? Thank God. Don't suffer from it. Um, and I think in potted might be because of that resilience that I built up from childhood in that I was exposed to these things. I didn't sort of. Uh, I was dropped into a war zone all of a sudden and uh, and was faced with the reality of a war zone. I, it's almost like an immunisation if you like you on get small shots of it, and then you get used to it to a certain degree, although you never You never really get used what you can never get used to a little girl, um, screaming in a hospital because she's being operated on without anaesthetic as a human being you, you just can't, um, immunize yourself from from that sort of pain. And uh, it's just, you know, it's it's it's a reality. And it's sadly happening to them. That's the other thing. I mean, this is happening to them. What about Syrians and and their post tr the not even a post traumatic. This Dillon that traumatic phase, There's still being bombed is still being wounded. They're still being besieged. Uh, the the barrel bombs is still falling from the sky. So I I wanted to more about them and saw the trauma and their mental state. The dedication in your book about the Syrian"