Quebec, Federal Government, Mister Trudeau discussed on What You Need to Know - a #CDNPolicast from Bluesky Strategy
You have all of this combines into your personal profile and I am looking for I really need to get off so I need to get the summer vacation or something so but and I'm not others generation so maybe I have a a a vastly inland. Pardon especially but in older eras think of the fights that that we as civilization governments and courts especially hat around personal privacy when it came to state surveillance so the the the the limitations on police and in a state where they can and can't do like to get a phone tap to be able to read. Your mail was a process and involved hundred people's and millions of dollars and then we just gave it away and people people used to defend those rights quite literally to the death I think in the case of people going to war to fight for those kinds of values people certainly didn't want their state. Knowing what the which store they were going to on a daily basis or whether they had a mistress or not right one or listening to your conversations at home and they somehow Alexa I am from our podcast. Microphones we all. We have about six microphones stable so all this is a as as a society we all of a sudden became extremely passive acid on protecting our own rights. And I think it's because we got a trade off in the service. Yeah but I I just find the whiplash of those that sort of era shift. It's just a little bit mind boggling When you think maybe it's because I don't know it's because we trust corporations more than we trust the state I think that's backward but that's because I'm a liberal but anyway no no I? I just wanted to bring that point to the table because I bring it to the private conversations from time to time all right speaking about the courts here. We go in Quebec another half an hour. Well let's make it short and sweet but Quebec is slamming the federal government for heard their funding over the bill. twenty-one Cam Federal Government has kinda gone in a diff- has gone into this in a different way to challenge which it and what do you make of Quebec's response and Ottawa's well the thing is I'll I I'll say the federal government hasn't done anything here. The Federal Government has a court challenges program the the minority groups can use and as a person as a minority in this country. You know I have a lot of my rights. Thanks to that program and I will defend it to the death and unfortunately the prior Harper did remove. It was one of those people definitely raising more than a few loud voices about it to me. This whole episode is brought brought to things to Miami one was a reminder of what life was like with the block in parliament because you get the block in parliament I remember during the campaign. The odd sight of seeing the Bloc Quebecois leader coming across the Ottawa River to go into eastern Ontario and talk about how they're going to defend the rights of Francophones outside of outside of Quebec. And how they're the defenders of the French French language yet now that very same program that francophones across the country outside Quebec used to protect their language. The blocker saying no. ooh You should not be allowed to use. That is awful. It is terrible stripping away because how Lo and behold the anglophone minority in their in their province decides is to use it. It's hypocrisy it's rank hypocrisy and it is the stock in trade of the Bloc Quebecois and. I'm in this week. Has Been a reminder it kind of forgot about what life was like with the block and there are some things where things almost agree with them on on policy and whatnot. But then they're situations like this that bring this right to the surface that somehow that they're law into the argument that they use is repugnant. Is anything else is that well. It was passed unanimously in the National Assembly majority of Quebeckers polled supported. You know what that may very well be the case but that's been our case throughout our history. The country there. There was a time in this country. Nicest person when it went a majority people. The House of Commons supported and the majority of the public supported the hanging Louis Rail. They thought that it was a grand idea. They thought the idea of taking me off the land. The residential schools was a popular policy that passed democratically in the house and was supported by the majority and now today we know it was genocide. I'm sorry the as much as I support democracy and a popular vote. The people are not always right when it comes to protect the minority rights and minority groups need to have the the levers to defend themselves and the idea that Mr Blanchette and and miss you go stand there and say look. We're on a press minority in North America and we need to be protected which there's truth to but then turn around and say that that means we get to. That means we get to get to take the boots to you and your rights. I'm sorry I can't stand for that and I'm glad I'm glad to see that worked up over this. I'm glad to see they're upset. Because because it's showing us why it is back in twenty eleven. We reduce them to four seats. And we're putting towards history's dustbin where they belong. Okay if anyone can ham right now resolute. Absolutely nothing Neil big mistake by Quebec. Listen I'll get two quick hits out of the way and then I'll go into my the point I want to make It's amazing because this is I think is the first time a Quebec premier has ever called for cutting spending by the federal government shots fire. Also I'd like compare and contrast the Quebec government's desire to have the federal government out of the the the bill c twenty one jurisdiction. They have in their your own problems but yet desires the federal government to get involved in another provinces issues Most recently the the approval for the Tech Frontier Mine in in Alberta so compare and contrast those disparate positions but specifically to the court challenges. I'm just program I it is an interesting little wedge. That Mister Trudeau finds himself in today. He needs votes in Quebec. So do they de-fund the court challenges program or do they Give the the premier of Quebec a reason to bash the federal liberals. I see this perhaps going down the same vein as the Danny William's desire fire to have conservatives never take federal power ever again Mister Llegado can beat this. If if the if the court challenges program continues is which is a liberal program If Justin Trudeau can't back away from supporting the Court Challenges Program for all the reasons nations cameron into but if he does but if he doesn't then then premium ago who was a p Q minister separate as Mr for ten years who sees Quebec as a distinct society which great. But but this will i. If if the the Court Challenges Program continues to fund this this I think it's a school board if I'm not if a Macho Macho the school board if the Court Challenges Program continues to fund the School Board. Mr Logo will go on an anybody but Justin Trudeau Tirade for the rest of the life of this government and as a conservative. I'm very happy to sit back and watch that unfold. All right I chat will. Maybe it won't be surprising to say that I disagree a little bit. I think this is a flash in the PAN I think this is another little silliness eruption around this very serious issue. United Cam kind of put the nail in the head. On on some of the silliness that brought to Parliament Hill via the surrogates. It's but I don't see this being thus sustaining issue. The fact is the court case dating issue and one of the court case is funded by this program or not. I don't think dictates whether it goes forward. I honestly don't think Justin Trudeau or anything. One of his members of cabinet ministers would endorse. The notion of getting rid of this program is something that means a great deal to them the liberal movements the history of the charter et Cetera. So I don't see that happening. I think important just to point out for listeners. Who May who may just want some clarification? The program is administered are the University of Ottawa and independent unit. So it's not Justin Trudeau saying but case in this case and I don't like that case so let's not do that one. That's not how it works. That's what our justice system tends to work so in this case. That's the thing but I wanNA make one political point and it's an interesting one and maybe it's a little bit self serving as the liberal voice on the table but I'll use it anyway So I probably can because I feel exactly the same way I have no doubt the liberal people talk about feel that same very same passionate about this and to Neil's point they are caught in a difficult political situation and they are also having to be the government where they are not. They're not just barking. They have to actually walk there. Talk so I'm curious whether this actually may end up being an example of Of the quiet path succeeding. So there's to paths if you look at this bill twenty one issue all the way back through the election. Stand up. Beat your chest call them. Call Them Jerks You know and and and stamp your feet and maybe come up with so you know maybe lead the charge of the court case. I think that was the most extreme example people were calling for lead the charge case. Well the case happening the court will hear it. I have a lot of confidence. The court will say this is unconstitutional. I have every confidence every court after that will say this is unconstitutional. And eventually people like premier. Go walk the walk away with the tail between his legs on this issue but let the court do that. And so is this quiet support and not caving on this particular issue. So I think what's happening here is. They're trying to catch a little underbelly so if they're allowing this in this case proceed they're providing the allowing the space for that necessarily support to flow to it. They have notionally said. We want to see this proceed which is inherently supporting this process. And if you assume that it will end up the way it will probably that's a pretty good way to get to where you WANNA go without than the political show being the prime vehicle So I think both of those vehicles are are have merit especially if you're using the the loud vehicle as a patriotism. The next is for unfortunately though unfortunately not for everybody in Canada as we know from the polls. This policy is popular among some people. I wouldn't be surprised if you ask people across Canada. Ah The percentage of people across Canada would say this might be a good idea in their province but so rather than stoking that division are driving that wedge deeper and driving that the piece of wood further into our national grain. Why don't we just let the courts to you a little bit like what we just talked to one side of that the one thing? That's interesting about this. I agree with Ah. I like to approach the prime minister's take on this because it has been quite approach is been antagonist and we have seen `specially with law. twenty-one we've seen this throughout the process of it's ah been introduced past everything that that the Quebec political class has been very keen on criticizing going after anyone who dares suggest. There's something wrong with what they do. And I remember when Manitoba Premier Powell's step forward in Iran and ad campaign trying to recruit Franklin people to come work Manto because they I need Francophone civil servants and how Lago went after him and started attacking them. For how dare you hypocrites. How exactly and to Mediatek? Well wait a second. You've made a decision used binders and people have the right to move around. So the idea that again anything that even hints at a criticism says of their approach automatically tap political blowback. Because that's the same thing. That's the approach that this government in Quebec decide to take and it's not one that that could be sustainable over time. It's definitely not but I think that's an interesting. I mean that's where I appreciate the Prime Minister's done you could very easily turn this into a back and forth screaming match. That could be easily done but isn't going to who actually improve the issue. And yes I I have faith in the courts in this but again the fact you actually have to go there and I think that's just kind of part of the part of the price. It's part of the price of admission of being a minority in this country. And you know what it is what it is. But but that's why we have courts there to defend those rights but see twenty th doesn't build twenty-one have they they have used it yeah but but again. This is what that means going before the courts. All the case has taken a charter. That doesn't have the knowledge to apply but it's novel argument that they're trying to I. I and I'm not smart. I'm not informed about your smart informed enough. have to argue one way or the constitutional law class at Teachers College. So let's It's an interesting I. I don't know if that'll mean. The court cases longer shorter than usual. I I let's just go back to politics. Pure and simple. I think this is one of the few. Active examples of a little bit of trump is coming into Canada. It's the Well we don't need the sort of legal structure. Sure we have the popular back and then leave aside the content of the the intent I think it's a little experiment in that and I think we'll see how that plays out but I think there's not a auto tight for that in Canada. Well let's it's it's before the courts We have the facebook challenge from private before the courts and A interesting candidate China relations meeting ahead of US Committee we might have a legislative through a self supporting legislation. Let's just give it all the courts to decide..