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J. our special guest host Kevin Deeks we're talking a former federal prosecutor keep Corbett about the death of Chucky o'brien who was a suspect in the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa we're talking about the east coast mafia possibly being involved probably be involved and how they have to get permission from the Detroit mafia to come in and and and have a hit on Jimmy Hoffa what then did the Detroit mafia do did they help facilitated or do they just get out of the way what what what took place I think to the can you have the FBI and I would share that opinion is that subject only to the very least want about they mean as we said that it Anthony Jack alone is the person whom give me half was supposed to meet that day Mister Jack along who was known for some work surely disposition spent the entire day in the south field athletic club asking people every fifteen or twenty minutes what kind so we had a laundry list of potential alibi witnesses for the disappearance nobody knows where his brother Billy Jack alone he was a day in the desert storm that body of opinion that believes that give me half for that matter to me after that Billy Jack alone he borrowed Chucky o'brien's car that day in that if he had shown up at the markets were class he and Jack alone he was one of the jackal warnings with whom are fat and a long standing relationship and he would have easily been in this situation to say Hey give me your what brother companies tied up in a meeting here and there in the likelihood of hot for being willing to get in a car with somebody like Jacquelyn or we had known for forty years it's a much greater than with a total stranger or one of the people from New Jersey with whom he had already developed some antipathy the case is sold are you disappeared some forty five years ago I I imagine most of the suspects and have died or are extremely old it is the only way this thing could be solved as if by chance they buried his body somewhere and it and it was to be discovered well if they were to discover his body I mean it the likelihood of any usable forensic evidence depending on where the body was after forty five years is extremely remote so they would have the body they might know exactly how we was killed if a gun were used as they could recover ball it they might be able to do some sort of ballistics tests that they had a weapon that they think was utilized but other than that and I think those are real stretches the problem is there's virtually everybody who was a suspect in the hopper disappearance is is no longer with us the Jack alone he should get the public Provenzano brother is Steven and drive there the people from New Jersey who with key suspects in the case I have all died since then they really now Chucky o'brien is one of the last figures who was even connected with the case who who passed away and the likelihood of as a sort of let somebody somewhere will damage them saying I'm out in the gym after killing with some specific evidence such as the location of the body I think it's going to go down along with judge crater is one of those disappearances that never go to the shop completely although isn't always point out to people the the the amount of heat that was turned up on the mafia led to the convictions are innumerable organized crime figures in the trade in the New Jersey and other places as a result of the F. B. I.'s reinvigorated efforts to investigate organized crime precipitated by the hot the disappearance keys Chucky had not to kind of words to say about the film the Irishman have you seen the the Irishman your site I have seen it and I don't whatever very I mean personal at school on there will be credit canalis is what the the other thing is here to actually I I don't accept that story and the yeah you know the reality is that sure and try to push publish your book three times in the first two versions you didn't mention the disappearance of Jimmy affect any couldn't get the book published and nine effort number three he suddenly became a figure in a half the disappearance in the book they sh Ukraine houses don't you certainly made it out there it's not as if organized crime would have needed to go outside your immediate circle to find somebody who is willing to kill somebody and even though I'm Irish I don't know the word trust the virus will do thank you information do you do you feel that the FBI sees this as a embarrassment or do you do you think it's just one of those unsolved cases that they chop up to it didn't work out why are are I think you know the bureau would love to stop this case and I think the desire to get the answer to what happened to Jimmy Hoffa is is something the bureau would love to get but I I also think particularly in the day's work overtime the code of silence was much more stringent it organized crime than it is in the last twenty or thirty years thanks at the fact that the people involved that you're never going to talk and unless you had a fortunate witness over to develop some piece of physical evidence that could tie this year and you won't get in I I told people the story before shortly after our house it disappeared when I was young prosecutor even a dark here in those days I I was writing down the elevator would be quite values Detroit Koppel shortly after you think it's acted on a twenty year felony and I still listed with Kelly I can keep you out of jail and he looked at me said how I said you just have to tell me what you mean after any work there isn't there I don't know what you're talking about he said I don't read out my friends wow interesting yeah I was just bored I got with that all right keep corporate thanks for jurors on the Magellan show we appreciate your time no problem have a good day all right you too yeah interesting case let's check in with ray for more Alok ray I welcome the challenge show where are you there hello read nine ray is gone ray going once yeah I you know it's it's really that cases is really something else you know with the it seems every three or four years they'll get a tip and they'll go down take up a farm or they'll make up for it the Oakland township so many so many efforts and it seems like every time one of these comes off the they get really excited as of this time the person with the information truly should or could know something and that they've provided this information with nothing much to gain other than you know solvent solving the case and then they they do the day again and and it's and it's over and your Royal Oak go welcome the Magellan show hello Hey Andrew there are work with Joe serves the rally it was a grandson a lot the user rally and we worked on that should be tried for animal a lot of years and I was there twenty three years and yet the most three or four times because people use the caller's house all the time and you know as they thought he was the user rally but anyway give me how are often yeah he was my boss and I was at two ninety nine teamsters and all that stuff but who knows what happened I knew Jimmy Hoffa's white and all that stuff but lebron you'll never know the end do you do you like reading these books are watching these movies that come out or do you just feel like I have they don't have any idea what what happened it's not worth my time yeah exactly let's all just locked up so that people will buy it that's true yeah all right thanks for the call and you appreciate it yeah that's a really was one of the last tips that came in that leads to one of the big dig's out in Oakland township and now they it's kind of interesting they said that he was close enough to be in the know he had the blood line to be in the know of what happened to Jimmy Hoffa but then after the day it happened and and you know not they found nothing then the fed sort of said well you know why he was kind of the the brother that everybody made fun of and if they did tell where was they want to pull in the right place anyway because they would have trusted him to keep the secret is out it's so funny how it just yeah just back off for exactly and you you know you just you know you watch these things develop and Chucky o'brien which we did an interview and and W. J. R. with his stepson check your bride step son who just wrote that book yeah that was Jack gold gold Smith is yeah yeah yeah and and he had said that he research this extensively and went through every federal document that existed to the freedom of information act and and it could not be clear that Chucky o'brien had nothing to do with the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa it's always interesting to hear keep corporate say that while Chucky o'brien was a suspect Leon within the serious investigators looked at who was involved in the disappearance of Jimmy often the death of Jimmy Hoffa check your bride's name never re surfaced much after that first first time because they came to realize that Chucky o'brien was not going to be somebody who would lead Jimmy Hoffa two two is that right that the was not going to turn on and Jimmy Hoffa Jimmy Hoffa done too much for him Hey there he see it may hear remark that he would take a bullet forum and they have nothing whatever happened to Jimmy through Chucky if that was struck his own words and yet through decades you know he had to live on as people use it dropping his name as a suspect around his family having that as well you you just sort of never can shake that in in a mystery like that no this is this is wild well thanks for coming into a Catholic presidential gray is great here great to be with all as always have a nice nice to work with you yeah yeah I was a lot of fun and Mike and Laura also always always our presidential quiz pros let's check in with the traffic and rituals in CA this report is sponsored by indeed dot com as a hiring manager you need to quickly find the best candidates for your open positions tools from indeed.