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"We're listening to Fox News Sunday. The southern border is a dangerous. Horrible disaster. We've done a great job. But you can't really do the kind of job. We have to do on less. You have a major powerful barrier. We recognize on the democratic side that we really cannot resolve this until we open up government, and we made that very clear to the president. President Trump house speaker Pelosi giving no sign of progress in talks to end the partial government shutdown and resolve the fight over funding for a border wall. And it's time now for our Sunday group. Former Republican congressman Jason Chaffetz moa life of Georgetown, university's institute of politics and public service. Marie harf. Co host of Benson and harp on FOX News Radio and Jonah Goldberg of the national review congressman shape itself was an interesting development in the last couple of days a few three as I count them. Senate Republicans who are up for reelection in two thousand twenty are now beginning to break with the president and say we need to reopen. The government Cory Gardner of Colorado. Susan Collins of Maine, Thom Tillis of North Carolina. How do you see this shutdown ending? Wendy's. Shutdown. Well, I wish I could have that magic ball to tell you exactly what it is. And I hope it sooner rather than later. But I think the Democrats have really put themselves in a tough box because the president is on the side of national security and protect air-border in doing what the federal employees that the border patrol wants to do. They had sixty thousand people they apprehended in November coming across the border, and with the border patrol goes out and says we have to have some sort of impediments something that will slow them down some sort of Waller barrier where we've done it in the past they works. That's a compelling argument. And I'm sensitive to a Cory Gardner who is a great member of the United States Senate. But now is congress always gravitates to deadlines and pressure points. And that's what I think is ultimately going to get this solved is the need the desire to solve this now rather than continuing to mow are the Democrats are the ones who were in a hole, and they're going to need to get out of it. I don't think so I think most Americans would would. I agree that this is the president shutdown that the president is basically holding a hundreds of thousands of federal workers hostage over over this. And it's not just them. It's the people who. Contract with the federal government people who aren't getting paid people who are worried about paying their bills people who worry about paying their rent people who may get stuck at airports. This is all these are the pressure points that are really going to move this. And I think to say that you're going to continue this for years over a an argument, an immigration argument that is actually not proven to be effective that is sort of an weather has been a law. We have seen breaches time and time again almost ten thousand breeches amongst certain sectors of the wall that exists now rather than taking that money and investing an actual technologies that would provide real border security investing in more border patrol agents that to me seems like a better way to go to keep the government shutdown and her all these people over kind of a fantasy answer. I think is gonna come back and hurt the president. I'll let you answer about the fantasy answer. But here's the problem. It seems to me if the if Nancy Pelosi where to say tomorrow, all right? We're going to give you the money for the world should be thrown out of speaker, her House Democratic caucus would not stand for that. If the president were to say, you know, what I give up on the wall his political base thirty nine forty percent would turn on him. Where does the pressure come and isn't going to be a surrender by one side to the other? Or are they going to sort of lay down the instruments of war? Or is there going to be a compromise? That involves something that the president ends up giving to Democrats whether it's on DACA, the dreamers people with temporary protected status, whatever. Yeah. So that's part of the irony. Here is the fight over. This is almost purely symbolic now is a. If they win we lose zero-sum understanding that if Trump gets anything he can claim victory for Democrats will feel like Lawson and vice versa. The the irony is is that there are serious public policy compromises that could be found here on DACA. There are serious restrictions like my friend, Mark Krikorian who argue for, you know, things like e-verify that are much more important than a law. But the problem is e verify is down right now. Right shut down as part of the government shutdown. That's the system that people can use to check as to whether somebody's in the country legally or not, right. And so to answer the question about the pressure point thing, it seems to me that if you actually end up right now, it's a lot of posturing from TSA and their union. But it seems to me that if airports start essentially shutting down and people out in the rest of the country start to feel the bite that is where I think the pressure really starts to build that move markets. That's gonna cause congressman to start buckling right now. Overflowing garbage cans on the mall. Not. I drove passive this morning. It's not exactly like Mad Max movie out there. But as time goes by I think, those are the pressure points, and you can see a lot of senators get weaken, the news about all, right? I'm going to ask all of you for prediction in a moment. But if not for the shutdown the big political story this week would be the house going back to the Democrats Nancy Pelosi regaining the speakership after eight years in the minority and the first speaker to regain the gavel since Sam Rayburn in the nineteen fifties here she was on Thursday. I pledge it. This congress will be transparent my partisan and unifying that will seek to reach across the aisle in this chamber and across divisions across our nation. Murray. Whatever you think of her policies Nancy Pelosi is clearly a heck of a politician. How effective do you think she'll be dealing with President Trump on this and other issues? Absolutely. And I think I was one of those Democrats that underestimated her ability to win back the speakership with the kind of number. She got the fact that Alexandria, Cosio Cortez voted for her in the end. It's just a symbol of the fact that she was able to win back that speakership in a way that showed her strength and her legislative ability, the two things the democratic house have done legislatively. They've introduced a Bill to unbolting rights to get corruption out of Washington and pass bills to reopen the government. So I think they put down a marker this week that they are not here to play. They have an agenda. They're going to push it forward. She will have I think some challenges bringing together this moderate block of Democrats who won the house in places like Michigan Watkins coming up later on the show. She's one of that she is a moderate. She is not an abolish ice democrat combined that with AO see. And the liberal wing of the party going into a printout. Folks that is now how we refer Andrea Cossio Cortes, like JFK LBJ pales. Thank you. If we've seen anything for Nancy Pelosi in the few months, this Democrats. We took the house is that she can bring those members together and as long as Donald Trump's in the White House. I think she's going to be pretty effective and she's shown that this week and holding the line. Okay. We got a minute left in this segment, and I want to ping pong back and forth and get your prediction. On Friday as it goes into the twenty first day. If it does the shutdown would be the longest in history midnight Friday will be a week from today will the shutdown still be going on and win. It ends which side is going to be seen as winning still going on. And I think the next presser point is actually the state of the union at the end of January. I think if you will twenty nine yeah, I think it will continue on to go onto that to that point. And who's going to win? I think the Republicans are gonna win. They're on the right side of the argument. I think our borders is the right side of the argument. I think it goes on probably for at least a couple more weeks. But I think points that gentleman making another we're making when this starts to be felt in people's homes or in their community airports, the president will will cave and Democrats luxury. Find a way to help him came a little bit less. Painfully is what's going to be really interesting? I actually help the Democrats get something like Dhaka out of this. I don't want this to keep going on. But you're right. The more real people that feel this. People that can't pay rent if it goes on until the state of the union, I think that's insane. That."