Listen: Wisconsin, Mitch Smith And Michigan discussed on The Frame
"Now playing. So Mitch Smith during all of this are Republicans making a case for this legislation are they publicly explaining themselves. The legislature is the most Representative part of our entire democracy, a few in the Wisconsin assembly. The speaker, Robin Vaas spoke really passionately in favour of these bills, read the constitution. If you go back and actually think about the way that the founders put the document together, they always intended for the legislature to be the most important part of our democracy called it a rebalancing of power. If you look at the way that our government operates today, we have allowed far too much authority to flow to the executive. He called it a way to ensure that there were Coequal branches of government the situation that we are sitting in right now, if we do not pass these proposals is that we are going to have a. Very liberal governor who is going to enact policies that are in direct contrast to what many of us believe in and Republicans defended these measures and said, it was good governance code defying things that they've been doing in setting the stage to make sure that they continue to have a say in how the state was run under the new governor. And what was the Democrats response to this argument that this was good governance? Democrats were buying it not even a little bit. What they are planning for the Republican party of Wisconsin. Milan. Its integrity. And lead to its noun fall. It will damage Wisconsin. As ignorance the wheel of the majority of Wisconsin voters. So how does this debate end so trusdale becomes Wednesday and midnight becomes two and two and becomes boring. And there's just not a lot going on in the capital. And then not long before sunrise here, come the Republicans, and it was a really empty chamber aside from the press in the legislators, the huge crowds that had been there. What thirteen hours before they had gone home. And so this is literally happening in the dark the Christmas. Tree lights have been turned off. This was the middle of the night. And we're debating these huge bills, and it passes extraordinary session standard journey until tomorrow Wednesday, December fifth without objection the December twentieth extraordinary session is adjourned. The bills ended up passing. The Wisconsin legislature words slightly watered down from the ones that winner, deuce. There were provisions that Democrats were really upset. About last Friday that ended up not being in the final version, but still if signed into law, they would end up with the weaker democratic governor, Wisconsin, a weaker democrat attorney general of Wisconsin and a much stronger Republican legislature, Wisconsin Mitch how much longer is the Republican governor Scott Walker going to be governor. And is he antiquated design these bills so Scott Walker's term runs through next month point, he's made repeatedly in recent days that he has the authority to sign these bills. And well, he hasn't said explicitly that he will all signs point to him signing most or all of this into law, which is what we're seeing right now in Wisconsin unusual well years ago, it would have been really unthinkable in many places, but in two thousand sixteen North Carolina a situation that kind of MIR's this played out where a democrat won the governor's election and Republicans came in an OEM duck session and limited the powers of the governorship. And so this is obviously happening right now in Wisconsin. But then right next door Michigan. Another midwest. Eastern state where the governorship flip the Democrats last month. You see those being considered? We don't know exactly where the only at this point. But that would limit the powers of the incoming democratic governor and attorney drown are all out there. It seems over the past few years. There has been a progression in these attempts to hold onto power mostly by Republicans in the state legislatures efforts at voter ID laws efforts in some cases at voter suppression gerrymandering, and as problematic as those attempts were they were sort of preventative in their design. They were ways to stop the other side from winning power or make it harder for them to win power. What you're describing here in Wisconsin. And in North Carolina, and perhaps in Michigan is different. It looks like an attempt once the other side has achieved power once they've cleared all those previous roles to win elections to then weaken the power of the offices that these Democrats have just one. Absolutely. That's how Democrats see it. And they see it as an escalation of things that have gone on in recent years, and which Democrats have sometimes performed quite well. All of the polls, and then still found themselves without much influence and capitals, and Wisconsin where democratic legislative candidates one state white majority's, but yet find themselves continuing to be in the minority in in both chambers, and there's a level of anger phonetic here. Gerrymandering come up quite a bit. And then Wisconsin capital accusations that democratic votes are being diluted and a sense that there's this effort now to really blatantly go after some core functions of those offices that Democrats are about to inhabit and Mitch is this all legal well certain ways within the realm of the to pass laws. They're still in office, whether these laws are constitutional other they'll hold up. I think that's an open question. I think certain provisions of these Democrats are very eager to challenge in court some things and this kind of cocktail of bills have already been challenged in court in previous iterations, and ultimately that'll be for judges to decide. It could be a very long time before we have finality to that question. It can be very very well into Tony verses four year term as governor of Wisconsin. I wonder if this is gonna feel shortsighted because Democrats now hold control of the governor's office and the attorney general's office in Wisconsin. But I have to assume that Republicans will take those offices back and someday who knows how long from now Democrats will control the legislature, and Wisconsin. And in that case haven't Republicans just weakened the offices that they will inherit an empowered the Democrats to do the same thing to them. So Republicans and Wisconsin are really going to benefit from these provisions for the next few years looking longer. It's less clear who ends up being the winner here. Wisconsin's a state where politicians from both parties win you had Donald Trump carry the state in two thousand sixteen in two years later, you had Scott Walker once a real Republicans star lose. And so it's certainly very conceivable that in the end there's a Republican governor sometime in the future, maybe four years. Maybe sixteen years from now, and this could backfire on them and Republicans could very well one day wish they had not push through these bills. Mitch thank you very much. Thanks for having me. On wednesday. Republican lawmakers in Michigan voted to advance legislation that strips oversight of campaign finance from the state's newly elected secretary of state a democrat and."