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And Mary Louise Kelley majority leader Mitch McConnell says he is distressed Nebraska Republican Vince asked calls it a sad day for America. And Chris Murphy, Connecticut Democrat describes it as a national security crisis. All senators all talking about the resignation of secretary of defense, Jim Mattis. I am joined now by another Senator Tim Kaine democrat of Virginia Cain sits on the Armed Services Committee, which will have to confirm whoever is nominated to succeed. Mattis Senator Kaine welcome. Could it be on the show? Thanks so much. I gather you're not happy about secretary Mattis impending departure either. No, look, I've been in public life for twenty five years. I'm an armed services member from a state. That's connected to the military. I have a son in the Marine Corps secretary Mattis has one of the best public servants. I've worked with in my career and his resignation, and especially the asserted reasons for the resignation should 'cause every American to be really really worried. Although was this inevitable Madison self in the resignation letter that I soon you're referring to there. He said the president deserves a Defense Secretary who shares his vision of the world, I think that's very diplomatically put. But if you look at the letter, basically, what secretary Mattis says is this that the two pillars of American security that are constant. And this is a guy who spent more than four decades providing security is a marine is one building strong alliances among democracies and second standing up. To thorough -tarian adversaries, and he basically said Mr President on these two values you and I disagree, and we've certainly seen in a president who undercuts allies at many opportunities using national security waivers to punish Canada and Europe, for example, and then cosies up to a thorough Teheran's such as Russia and and Kim Jong Hoon in North Korea. And that reason asserted by secretary Mattis is very very troubling. Have you talked to him if you talk to dramatically? I have not talked to him since the announcement. The announcement set off a firestorm now leave news, but ambassadors of European and other allies reaching out to Senator saying sort of what's going on announcements this week about Syrian Afghanistan, obviously, causing huge concerns among allies who were side by side with us. In those theaters. I mentioned it's your committee armed services that will have to vote on whoever is named to succeed him. Who would you like to see? You know, it's too early to say that there's a person that I'd like to see, but I want somebody who will be willing to stand up and speak truth to power one of the challenges. And this administration is those who do general McMaster, the national security advisor and secretary Mattis, they get pushed aside, but we need people who are experienced who will look the president in the eye and and speak truth. And if the president can handle it he can't handle it. But I don't want an enabler. There's been too many neighbors around this president and the first two years like bobbleheads saying yes to everything, and that's not what this country needs right now changing gears. We're speaking to you from Capitol Hill. Are you all making any progress on a voiding a government shutdown at stroke of midnight? Well, we had a bipartisan deal just two days ago passed the Senate unanimously with the blessing of the White House, but the president yesterday decided to do a one eighty and say he now if you can't get five billion hill shutdown government and punish eight hundred thousand plus federal employees. Who would not get as long as there's a shutdown? Yeah. I heard you on Sarah calling him the Grinch about to steal Christmas, which I will give you credit. It's a good line. But subsidies. Senator or else? Well, thousands of people who are going to have to work without being paid over the holidays. You're you're absolutely right. And that was what we did when we gave them a bipartisan deal less than forty eight hours ago that he agreed to I know. But here we are society afternoon. So what happens? Well, what's going on? Right now is the vice president, Jared, Kushner, and Mick Mulvaney. The new chief of staff were up talking to Senator Schumer, and we're seeing reports out of that meeting that there may be an announcement soon about a path forward possibly a deal. I understand those administration officials went over to talk to speaker Ryan. So this is very much kind of a work in progress right now, no reason to shut the government down. Absolutely. None just a few seconds left. But, but we're also hearing from Shimer's office, and they're saying that this deal would involve funding for border security, but not the wall would you vote for that? I voted for it many many times comprehensive immigration reform and twenty thirteen head border security money. We offered the president deal in February with border security money. He turned it down border security is something that we all support. All right. Thank you so much Senator. Alright thanks much Virginia. Democrat Tim Kaine and we are talking with other Republicans elsewhere on the show. I interview Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma supreme court Justice, Ruth, Bader Ginsburg had surgery today for early stage lung cancer the odds for a full recovery from the disease at that stage have dramatically improved in recent years. That said this is the eighty five year old liberal

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