President Trump, United States, Donald Trump discussed on Hugh Hewitt


A person that watch the globe to do. Well, frankly, not caring about our country so much. And you know, what we cannot? You know, they have a word it sort of became motivation. It's a nationalist. And I say we're not supposed to use that word. You know, what I am the nationalists? Okay. What immediately did the American left do after President Trump declared himself to be a nationalist just a follow up on your comments about being nationalist? There is a concern that you are sending coded language or a dog whistle to some Americans out there that what you really mean is that you were white national. I've never even heard that. I cannot imagine. Previous caller did a great job in identifying this. It's almost like Jim Acosta's, Google, search you type in nationalist. Did you mean white nationalist, it is absolutely shameful? Joining us now to discuss is Rahim Qassam. He was one of the very first people start using this term of of nationalism. He is an author. He has a Claremont institute fellow and he joins us now here on the Hugh Hewitt Show. Bob, France, sitting and reading thank you for your time. How are you? Well, thank you for having me. I have to say I wasn't one of the first ever, given given the nationalism goes back hundreds of years, certainly certainly in modern times. I think we we reintroduced political lexicon across the across the ocean. I'm here in the United States. I think that's that's a that's a great point a great distinction. And let's let's talk about that as the president declared correctly when he when he tried to draw the contrast between globalism thinking more about the world's needs rather than the needs of the nation that you are elected to represent the president said that very directly that he means nationalist in that I'm going to put my people I will worry about the concerns of the rest of the gloves. Second he said that national nationalism has kind of become a word that you don't use anymore. And I think we should use it again. What did he mean? And why he's right, of course, because you saw the instant reaction Raheem, but why did a term national? Which when compared to globalism is a pretty benign term as far as I'm concerned that says we're concerned about our people before the world's people. Well, he was actually being all the generous about globalism. I mean globalism if you think about what he's done over the pulse. Fifteen twenty years actually, how really concerned itself with the rest of the world is concerned itself with political and cultural and meteorological around the world, whether it's in Beijing, London or New York City, almost Angeles really served to be addressed the very very very very very very few have been exploiting workers in Foxconn factories, and exposing jobs from Racine. Wisconsin. Now, the reason that Trump saying. A nationalist roiled people involved the media rock, especially because we know now for several years, and I think people who have studied his life, by the way seen over the course of his life, especially when he talks about trade deals, and that sort of thing that he's had these nationalistic tendencies, but he's actually come out and it. And he and what he's doing by saying, it is crazy gives another dividing like he's very good at doing this a defining line that he knows that the sort of the Clinton machine, the Democrats the media one of those guys that they have to attack that line. They have to attack that and they're. Very very hard this manning. Why wouldn't you be indefectible even at the age of seventy whatever he is. And they don't have the intellectual arguments. So they come fight the idea of nationalism and into the idea that the nation states should be the final opposite should be sobered is almost impossible, especially amongst Americans. I mean, you lose you was in nationalist revolution. Hamid Hamilton's report on the subject of manufactures was a nationalist. Documents pity Roosevelt said about having one flag, one one language and say goodbye to the immigrant who wouldn't assimilate. He's nationalism. And they don't have arguments against that so tired, they're angry. They're upset that he's opening yet another from them. And I think that's what we've seen play out the lost hours. I think that's well said the only argument they do have against that is just say to scream racism, which of course, is the, you know, the easiest argument to make. We're here Qassam is our guest. He is fellow at the Middle East forum. The gates thrown institute in the Lincoln fellow at the Claremont institute. You know, the president said when he pulled out of the Paris climate accord, he said, look I care more about and I was elected by the people of Pittsburg not the people of Paris at another event he said in his first year in the presidency. I was elected president of the United States, not president of the world. How can any elected official whether he'd be president or a member of our congress or anywhere else suggest otherwise your job is to represent the people that chose not to represent the interests of outside nations. Especially if it comes at the expense of those who chose you to lead them. You know? That's that's a really great point. And there's actually a fantastic book is just come out on this subject. It's it's cooling virtue of nationalism. By a professor cold, you'll Ramazzotti, and and he he sort of explained this. How would and and also in by awful. I mean, the rest of the world saw Leonardo kingdom. I'm and I'm staring Maxine. An empire that we once had right now. You know, it's sort of what we've done historically imperialistic realistically is to one leader, you know, whether it's the king of England or the Holy Roman Emperor. The world is used to having in deferring power upwards to one person wherever they already well or several people where they will. And the world is currently doing that occas historically done lost. So few decades with the president of the United States. You don't have referred to deal. Whoever is in that in in that, okay is referred to as the world leader, the most powerful man in the world, you know, all of that sort of thing. And it's refreshing your set don't just think Americans were tired of flying trillion dollars being spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, which to be no money for public schools in Pittsburgh. Right. I think it's refreshing for them. But it's also refreshing. It should be refreshing the rest of the world where nations like Italy and nations like the United Kingdom patients like India. Australia and free independence over nations. Actually don't have to act as protectorates anymore. They actually do have to act as independent sovereign nations. And this is another thing the President Trump stressors when he talks about NATO. He says, look, I'm not looking protectorates looking for allies. And so this is a major reset what's going on now. And it pains me. To say that when you talk about nationalism. Yes. There was a period of history with nationalism nationalism specifically, but very ugly very quickly and spiraled out of control. But it pains me the people don't know that nationalism. Actually, she goes back hundreds and hundreds of years and still applies to many countries. Most countries I would say around the world for whatever reason let's media to apply to. United states. No, they don't not with the not without negative connotations. Obviously, not working. You were a senior adviser to Nigel Farraj. Could you would you not suggest that Brexit in? And of itself was an expression of nationalism. We're not going to be beholden to the whims of the EU. We are going to you know, kind of take on our own charter on course, from this point forward is that not nationalism. Oh, absolutely. I mean, you know, when you look at the Brexit campaign represented in early well late twenty fifty and into early twenty six days, what it was was saying, hey, we want to be ruled by Brussels. You know, most people know this, and I would I would be very surprised if many Americans knew this because it's it's it gets bad about often even in the UK. But about eighty percent of our legislation was coming from Brussels before the Brexit that that could be religiously shit or regulation..

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