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And when the sun sets and the streetlights, come on people are still marching people were protesting an extradition, Bill with mainland China, which has now been delayed, but not killed suspending that proposed law was not enough for demonstrators who want to maintain Hong Kong's relative, freedom NPR's. Anthony Kuhn has been covering the story from Hong Kong, Anthony. What was it like to be out on the streets? It's an amazing experience. All I can say is that Hong Kong, people for the most part are mind, blowing Lee civic minded. You know, they just packed the streets all afternoon yesterday and in some places all night, and then they went home to sleep in the morning, and then a few hundred of them regrouped around the government offices, and Joshua. Wong came out of jail. He is a leader from the twenty fourteen protests, and he added his voice to the demands for Hong Kong's leader to step down for the Bill to be permanently scrammed. So it looks like limited protests will continue, but I think protesters in government regrouping in deciding what to do next. Let's remember some of the basics here. Hong Kong is controlled by China, but under an arrangement leftover from British times in which Hong Kong has more of a western style system has more free and open judiciary. And this proposal for an extradition law would allow people to be taken out of that system, arrested and taken to mainland China in a much less transparent system for trial. That's what has been protested some of the protests turned violent, of course in the past week with clashes between police and protesters did that happen on Sunday. No, it was completely peaceful because it's a different set of characters on the weekends you get families pushing strollers, and on, weekdays, you get a younger crowd kids in their teens and twenties and black shirts. Who are pessimistic, about the chances for nine nine violent protests, who succeed. The other thing is that the dynamic is shifted because the government is on the back foot they miscalculated public opinion, and they had to make this embarrassing climbdown of shelving. The Bill so protesters now want to press this advantage, you they've got, but it's not clear what else they can do. They called a general strike. But there's no evidence that it's doing a lot, Anthony. Thanks for the update. Sure. Thank Stephen, presented Q. And now let's bring in Charles Mok a pro democracy legislator in Hong Kong, as opposed to the extradition, Bill. Welcome to the program. Thank you, Steve. What was it like on the streets? Never seen so many people on the streets before the estimate was close to two million. But the more important thing is that there was no police around. What do you make of the absence of police? Well, I think, of course they were a bit concerned because of the accusation of police brutality on Wednesday last. Wednesday when they tried to clear the area around the legislative building. We believe that they had used excessive force. So obviously one of the topics of the demonstration was against these Taliban calling for an investigation. So people were not naturally wouldn't be very happy, if they see a lot of policemen around I want to ask one question about the extradition Bill itself. I understand the general concern that you would not if you could avoid it want to be taken out of Hong Kong's judicial system and moved into China's less transparent system, but chief executive Carrie Lam, the Hong Kong official has been pushing this legislation says it is not as bad as portrayed. Let's hear some of what she has to say. I'll proposal is based on existing legislation with a relevant human rights. Save Gus and procedural safeguards, including the role of the court and the fair and impartial. Judicial system of Hong Kong being fully maintained is this true. That even if the law were to pass that if you had a right to be tried in Hong Kong. It's where you'd be tried. Well, the legislation didn't really give out coach a lot of these power unlike, for example, a Canadian coach with the lady from law way, if there's a similar situation happening in Hong Kong, the Hong Kong will have to turn the person over to China or another jurisdiction. We got this, this is an interesting comparison, you're noting that Chinese business executive was arrested in Canada on the request of the United States. But the extradition is proven to be rather intricate and drawn out affair. You're saying that would not be the case in Hong Kong where China in Hong Kong because indignation court, they would have the right under Daniel to allow the defendants who defend ourselves to prove to the Canadian poet that the American accusation may not be accurate. So imagine that this case is happening in Hong Kong that there's an attempt by Chinese authorities to expedite an American. He actually he'll she actually would not have those rights, that this person is currently enjoying in Canada. Would this Bill passed if it were before the legislature, well, it would because in Hong Kong, we have a staint situation that people like myself from the pro democracy camp? We had the minority in the legislature because of the design of the system we always into minority. So that's why people want universal suffrage real democracy in Hong Kong. But we didn't get that. So a very unpopular model as long as the government wants to push through they'll get it. I want to ask one other question, and it's about the long-term as you know, very well. Of course, the reason that Hong Kong has different rights and different judicial system than the rest of China is because that was agreed to as Britain left Hong Kong in nineteen Ninety-seven China agreed to maintain certain rights in Hong Kong for fifty years until twenty forty seven do you think in the long term that Hong Kong is going to be able to maintain its freedoms that is actually the biggest concern. That we have in Hong Kong among activists, and pro democracy advocates because of for example, in the basic mole in the joint declaration between the UK and China, we were promised that we are going to have universal suffrage, real democracy. But we have waited for twenty two years and still nowhere in sight. In the meantime, a lot of these issues reading this expedition amendment Bill attempt that would make hauling hall more like China, and that its outcome said we want to keep Hong Kong a feed place. And we wanted this English outselling. We wanted sure this one country, two system really works, Charles Mok, who is a legislator in Hong Kong. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right. Video of police officers in Phoenix. Arizona has gone viral, the officers yell curse and point their guns at a young black family. Mayor Kate, diago apologize for what happened and she's organized a community meeting at a local Baptist church. Daniel, Pearl of member station. K J Z has the latest on this story and just a quick note. Some listeners might find this story disturbing. The incident began when employees at nearby dollar store told police to black women in two kids stolen toys, after arresting one of the women on prior charges before the car pulls way police, then follow the car and pulled over twenty two year old drive on aims and his twenty four year old fiancee Aisha Harper near their apartment complex in central Phoenix. The video shows what happened next..