Lamelo, Basketball, Lonzo discussed on The NBA Show
Folks, basketball is very good and it is a beautiful day to talk about basketball any day that I'm talking about basketball with my co host, Jonathan sharks is a beautiful day. Sharks, how you doing, buddy? I'm doing well. I think it's better. Now we're back over Zoom. It's probably a better dynamic for both of us instead of being in IRL in real life. You're big on the IRL abbreviation I noticed. You know, you're big on like the text abbreviations. I didn't take you for one of those heavy millennial digital minded people because you're off social media. What's the deal with that? Well, I am still a millennial though. When we do the best we can, but we are who we are, right? We are Internet creatures. Ain't that the truth? So sharks and I just got back from Vegas. Actually, I mean, Tom flies, it's been back for a week on my wife, but we went out to the G league showcase, if you were listening last week, we were out there for that. Milling around in Vegas, watching a lot of the which was totally disrupted by the COVID call ups as we saw. The NBA has been really irregular really strange right now with all the players going into protocols. Those numbers I don't have them in front of me, but it's a lot. We've all seen it. And it was interesting to see those guys kind of come up. This week, we want to focus, we're going to come back and talk more about some of the headline names from the last couple of years. Two players who were in the same draft. I think they were there was some sort of there were a lot of mixed bag. I don't think that there was sort of a unanimous camp for either one of these guys, I would say. The first guy that we want to kind of jump in and talk about here is LaMelo Ball. LaMelo Ball, one of the most famous basketball players for his age group, really of the social media era, would you say he's the most famous basketball player? Is that possible? Like, along with like Zion? I mean him or Zion, yeah, probably. You know, lamella is on the radar really early. Mainly because of his big brother, he was he sort of looked like a Muppet with that big floppy hair that he had when he was a Chino Hills. When you first found out about him, did you kind of go through a similar process that I did where there was sort of like these levels of starting to take him more and more seriously as we went. How did you feel about lamelo during his high school days during that YouTube mixtape era? That seemed to last for a long time. I mean, it seemed like we knew him for so long before he was actually playing serious organized basketball. Talk about what your early impressions were of him like a leading up to where we are now. Well, I got to give a shout out to our old ringer colleague Danny chau. So he wrote a big takeaway piece. It actually launched the ringer. He went and talked to the ball brothers. Lamella was like in 7th grade at the time. So obviously heard about him and he's a middle schooler. I didn't know what to make of it, really. I was interested by what they were doing, the family. And I always thought, you know, I'm big believer in younger brothers and playing up. And so it's always like, okay, lamelo is playing up from the age of ten, basically. He's always playing us better competition. He's always testing himself. Iron sharpens iron. So I try to stay out of the celebrity stuff and I was just like, you know, this could be a player to watch in a couple of years because Lonzo's really good, obviously. And if Lonzo's good, then lamelo has a chance to be better. Yeah, it's an interesting thing where I feel like he was, you know, you had like the 90 point game, you've got him pointing at the spot on the floor from God knows how far away that was that famous picture. You know the one I'm talking about were calls a shot. I think some of that stuff just sort of overshadowed who he was as a player, but if you look between the lines, it was like, you're right, about the playing up, the things like that. He had developed those skills. And you see a lot of those things sort of crystallizing and who he is now as a player. A lot of that sort of odd. We've talked about this on the ringer university show last year that that odd sample that he had as a younger player made him extremely experimental, made him extremely creative. I was kind of coming into the draft, though, fast forwarding, where did you have him on your big board, like in terms of how did you see him going into the league and how did he sort of surpass your expectations? I had an aunt one lamella too. And I think that was definitely wrong. I mean, I'll answer really good player. I will talk about him later in the show, but I think pretty clearly now lamella is the best player in that draft. And he's exceeded, I was pretty high on him, and he's exceeded my expectations for sure. I wasn't sure how his scoring would translate. I wasn't sure, 'cause the passing was obvious. You could wash him for 5 minutes and say, this guy is an elite passer. He can run a team. Because he had this weird combination where he'd make these crazy passes, but his turnovers were always very low in spite of the absolutely insane passes he would attempt. That was very encouraging. It was always just a matter of is this guy going to score enough? Is the jump shot real? Can you score around the rim? Will that make up for, well, that allow him to maximize his passing ability? Kind of like we talked about with Josh Getty last week. If you're a great passer and you can't score at a certain point, that contradicts a kind of holds you back in spite of your passing. Well, I think in these two years in the NBA we've seen this, he can score well enough. He can get his buckets and move the ball around and make things happen. Yeah, I think that well enough is kind of the range where the conversation about him like going forward, where does he go from here? How does he evolve, get better? Where does his production kind of bloom and blossom? You're right, like a scoring wise right now. He's right at about 20 points per game. A desist per game. The shooting is an interesting thing because the free throw percentage I think is really interesting thing. He's shooting 91.6% from the line, getting to the line as a whole other kind of conversation. I want to kind of break this down into the areas of concern that we had for him going forward and how he sort of addressed those. You're right about the passing. Those things were always there. I was looking last night. Agree or disagree with me on this. I think that he might be him and jokic, he and jokic might be the most elite over the top placement passers in the world. I was just thinking this morning, he is a jokic level passer, but he's much, much faster, obviously. But I would say that the best two passion in the league, I think, pretty clearly. Oh, you think overall they are the best. I guess you put LeBron in there too, but those are the top three passers in the league. Harden. But so here's the thing I think what I think separates lamella and jokic from the other guys. So if you look at the tracking numbers and lamella and jokic are both in the top 5 and touches, but neither is very high in time of possession. So jokic holds a ball for 4.1 minutes a game. Lamelo is at 6. And you compare hardens at 9.2, Lucas at 9.4 Troy young's at 8.6. What's that saying is his lamella and jokic give The Rock up. Like they're passing a ton and they're not holding the ball. They're letting everybody else get involved. It's kind of like the counter to the whole heliocentric thing, your harden, Luca, Trae Young, LeBron to lesser extent. They're more of a reaction to that and saying, we're going to hold the ball, but we're also going to get rid of it really, really fast. We're not going to just dribble the bond to the ground. We're going to let everybody else eat too. Yeah, I think you're spot on right there because there are like these macro kind of conversations in the NBA about like how to play, what's the best way to play? Because we've seen I have a friend who always says there are a lot of ways to skin a cat. With NBA. First off, that's weird thing to say. Poor kids. Come on. Who are skinning these cats? That's a weird one. Drop that from your lexicon folks. No, I think over time we've seen we've seen different versions of this. We've seen like feed the ball to shack, like players who are like touch dumb and it who keep the ball a lot, but you kind of have to be in efficient score to play that way for that to justify playing that way. Otherwise, you're just going to have a bad offense..