Listen: Prosecutor, Enron, Bob Muller discussed on Intelligence Matters
"And then got this job on the judiciary committee staff, and that's really when I got exposed to the wide panoply of things you could do the law degree that are outside the private practice of law. So as a prosecutor you worked on the Enron case prosecuting Enron executives. What did you learn that experience I learned that as complex as the fraud was and it was very complex accounting fraud case in it impacted. An entire community and in Houston and beyond. It was at the time into summer two thousand one when Enron went bankrupt. It was the largest thank Ruppi ever in corporate America as complex the case was and putting it together at bottom. It was about greed, and it was about era. That's the air again's of the men who led Enron and really through their lies to the shareholder community in their investors. Really ruined a lot of people's lives. Those those two things right greed in era Gance, those caused a lot of problems different cases. Nothing ends. Well, when those two are present, and then you end up working on national security. Right. So how did that transition go from prosecutor to focus on national security? It's interesting. I was before I worked on Enron. I was a prosecutor in the US attorney's office in Washington DC, which people may not know is the only US attorney's office the only federal prosecutors office. Around the country that also serves as the local prosecutor. And so the junior prosecutors in the office the youngest ones, the newest ones do basically local crime small scale shoplifting because his Washington DC because it's Washington DC because of the kind of peculiar governmental structure here. So the US attorney's office does local crime as well as the federal crime. And so you have to kind of work your way up through the system. And so I got exposed early on to criminal Justice system to frankly, the power of a prosecutor and how important it is to be an ethical of prosecutor. It's your job in the unique role of prosecutor is to do the right thing. Your job isn't to get a conviction. It's to do Justice. And when I was in the Justice department, I was I did not know Bob Muller at the time, but his he had kind of legendary reputation, and so when I was leaving in on task force. I actually had the opportunity to go work for him at the FBI. Right. And this was during time pretty soon after nine eleven where he was engaged in an effort to basically transform the FBI after nine eleven into a national security organization focused on preventing the next terror attack. Not solely on prosecuting crimes. That a lot of pressure on the bureau that time huge amounts of pressure to really transform itself to create a much more robust intelligence capability and to never let something like nine eleven happen again and working with him there got immersed in the top threat of the time. Which was of course, the terrorism threaten you were exposed to the agency at the time. And because director Muller was so focused on transforming the FBI and sending the signal that counterterrorism was now it's top priority as well counterintelligence and cyber threats he spent basically those around him spent the first three hours of every morning. Ng usually start about six thirty in the morning. Focusing on the threats to the nation that had come in overnight. And so I just was consumed with that as he was, and that's really when I got when I spent the next decade, plus working on national security. So I had a I had a similar experience because I had been an East Asian analyst until I went to work for George Tennant in nineteen ninety eight and I had I had not even heard of L Qaeda before and then I get to George tennis office, and it is all terrorism right tire. Focus of the office is terrorism experience. It's interesting before I became a prosecutor was my first job after law school in my clerkship. I worked as counsel to the attorney general who is at the time Janet Reno and this was shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing.."