Tim Ferris, Chris, Tim Ferriss discussed on The Tim Ferriss Show


Boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss and welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferris show. We have had three technical failures, but we've made it happen, and this is an improv episode. I'm very excited about it because my friend Chris reached out with many questions about podcasting. Good questions. He had already read much of what I had written. He'd listen to several interviews, and this is intended to be an updated guide to all things podcasting. The last time I wrote anything at length about this, I think the Tim Ferris had about 60 or 65 million total downloads. Now it's past 700 million. The show has grown a lot has happened, technologies have. I want to say developed, not always evolved as we may end up covering. But Chris, why don't you take a moment to tell people who you are? We've known each other now for at least 6 years, maybe closer to ten. I can't really even recall how we first met, but we have a mutual friend and Kevin rose and many other people. Who are you, Chris? So hi, everybody. I'm Chris. Chris Hutchins. I'm a bit of one of those crazy life hacker optimizers, take it to the extreme sometimes. And I host a podcast. Hopefully soon to be award winning podcast called all the hacks where I document my journey to upgrade my life, money, travel, all while spending less in saving more. Outside of that, I'm building new products at wealthfront. And before all of this, I've started a few companies sold a few companies, worked in venture capital, investment banking, management consulting and travel around the world for 8 months. So a bit of a seasoned set of random things Jack of all trades, maybe Master of None. And I'm excited to be here. Well, I am excited to jam because I actually haven't spoken at length in detail about the latest and greatest. Or in some cases, the old and the tried and the true that I don't think needs to change. But I want to underscore that you really do know what you're doing when it comes to certain obsessive deep dives that you've done. Particularly, I shouldn't say particularly, but including travel and points and not just saving or cutting costs, but improving the immersive experiences that you have in life. And so you've traveled to roughly 70 countries, mostly for free on point and there's much more to it. How many episodes have you recorded and published so far of your podcast? Just so people have some context. This is relatively new. I think I just released episode 19 when we're recording this. So it's been I started in May at September, so only four or 5 months. We'll come at this from many different angles. But where do you think it makes sense to start in preparation for this hoping this would be sort of the one stop shopping or at least the jumping off point for anyone who really wants to study maybe not best practices, but good practices within podcasting. Where do you think it makes sense to start? So there were two things that you've done that I think really gave me a lot of background. And one was the post you mentioned that you wrote in 2016. And then you did a maybe two hours or something interview with Rolf pots on his deviate podcast and talked a lot about this. So I thought maybe to kick it off. I'll just highlight some of my takeaways from doing my homework. And, you know, feel free to say, wow, that's wrong, that's changed, but we can kind of run through what I learned and then we can kind of run through that same series of getting started, picking gear, finding guests again and kind of dive deeper on what's changed and how it's evolved and questions that maybe were left unanswered in the original stuff. Let's do it. Perfect. So when it comes to getting started, this is something that I like you took a while to decide to start a podcast. And one of the pieces of advice that you gave that was really valuable to me was you don't have to commit forever. I think it always feels like a thing that you have to do forever once you start it happens every week forever. And you can kind of set a date and say, let's do 5, let's do ten episodes, and that's it and we'll reevaluate. So I think that's a really important takeaway is that no one you don't have to commit forever. And the other big one is it's a lot more work than it seems. And so you said only do this if you do it for free, which really means like it's gotta be you. It's gotta be what format excites you, the tone of voice, the kinds of guests, the questions that are exciting to you. Otherwise you'll get bored. And the final kind of getting started advice I took away was, look, if you don't have an audience, don't be afraid. Everyone started with some lack of audience at some point. And plenty of people with massive audiences have totally failed in podcasting. So the quick way is just get a couple episodes out there, keep it simple, do something you love. Don't worry about the business side and experiment. And I think that kind of sums up what everyone needs to know in a very concise way before getting started. Let me add to that. So I agree with all of that. And I want to add a couple of nuances are just additional comments. So it's helpful to bracket the minimum and then a check in point for your commitment to podcasting. In other words, you could say, I'm only committing to do.

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