And that's where I got to read, you know, see some of the great players off all time, including with Henry Aaron came through their Mudcat Jim Mudcat Grant, and I know you cover all these things. But that will be a conversation for another day. Well, I mean, let me quickly ask, we just lost him. Karen, of course, just a few months ago and one of the genuinely great not only players but people and one of the most important people in the history of American sports, and so many ways. Tell me that you're saying that you saw him play when you were a little kid. I'm minus that my grandfather regale me with stories of when Hank Aaron will come through there, along with Jim Mudcat Grant. Cool, Papa Bell, you name them. They all came through Hattiesburg to play And it was not a typical for there to be double header games played them because certainly back in segregated America. That was one of the principal forms of entertainment for the fans. Then he even told me about Satchel Paige and the hesitation pitch back then greening that folks just couldn't hit and just to think. Hey, Greeny! What was Satchel Paige was? I guess he in his early forties when it got to the major league, and they even outlaw Of the picture then, and it wasn't as effective as it was early in those days, So that's why baseball was my first love. My folks thought that I was kind of become a picture, and I played C Y O baseball greedy against them. Some of my teammates there's a blonde haired kid named Steve Garrett, who went on to play in North Carolina. He was a multi sport star, Greenie, a gave up baseball because of this, and it practiced. I'm standing there in the batter's box, and I know Steve has got an array of pictures. He went to play a Chapel Hill, North Carolina Chapel, help he This pitch Greeny. I see it coming up. That's the curveball. Of course, he didn't take this long. Well, that curveball is gonna break in about a nanosecond. You know what? That's a late breaking furball. What's going on here? I dropped into the dirt. And, of course, the ball at the last nanosecond went across the plate, Stevie, right, so I gave up baseball because I did not have what's but the will to stand in there at that time. That's when I picked up. Basketball is my love. Probably wise screening in the great JB one last thing I wanted to ask you Because a little birdie whispered in my ear that you have a story. I'm going to find fascinating that involves Len bias and I am dying to hear it. You know what Greeny. That was a tough story of this was when I was working with the local CBS affiliate, W. USA, and, of course, being a basketball star here in the area, blessed to be working on that station and Larry Bird with the Celtics was so excited when they the Celtics drafted Len Bias it was going to resurrect his career. His enthusiasm or important was Larry Bird was consistently a beast on the basketball floor. But The Celtics were thrilled when our back who was a friend who's lived here in Washington, D. C. He was all excited when I got there early morning news and the call that Lynn Bias had passed from an overdose. First person I called was red are back. He always called me Brownie. And I said, Hey, I still call him coach. I said, Coach, I'm just calling to express my condolences. I'm so sorry to hear about Len bias as I'm sure you are. And Len Bias was a friend. And Red says waking up with a groggy voice. Brownie. What are you talking about? I said, Oh, Coach, You mean to tell me you don't know, he says Browning. What is it, and I told him what the situation was. And of course, that was a very tough phone call, and it shook up the world for sure. But that was one of the It's actually a low light, but certainly a significant amount of stone and I got a chance to talk with the lens. Mom Lenny's bias. Another's. And, of course, his brother also passed not too long after that, but Mrs Lonnie's bias in the family very, very strong folks. And, uh and I thanked him for giving me access during that time to tell the tough story. You broke the news to our back that Len Bias had died. You know, let me just finish it by saying We probably are talking to a large number of people who are not old enough to have seen Len Bias. People like J. Billa's tells me all the time because he played against him, Len Bias would have been One of the three or four best players in the end before 10 years if he had not died before he ever got a chance to set foot on the court. Most people I think, know the story of that tragic death. Tell people who don't know just how good a player he was going to be. And again, you're right, greedy and you'll have to put some context for those who won't remember back then. But David Thompson, as you will recall was just phenomenal athlete in the SEC conference, and he and Lynn Bias used to have some flat out wars. Nickname and what it may not be very delicate, and you know how athletes green and give each other's names. They called him horse H O R S E because he was the strongest, of course, could leap. He loved the crunch time. You could give him that ball in crunch time, and he would deliver using what they thundering slam dunk, But he was flat out a phenomenal basketball player, and we couldn't wait much less Larry Bird and the Celtics. For him to get to the NBA to see what he was going to do, but flat out one of the all time greats ever in college and I'm sorry we didn't get a chance to see what he would have been in the NBA green. How tragic I mean, died of an overdose right after the draft and never got the chance to play in the N B a at all. James Brown. What a what a pleasure. This is. Thank you so much for taking all this time for me The best wishes to your daughter with the excellent taste and be well best to your family. And I hope we get a chance to do this again soon. Thank you so much. Green into your wife, Stacy and your two kids as well to have a great day, buddy. Thanks so much for having me. That's a pleasure. James Brown with me here on ESPN Radio. What is the light? That was for me again? I started out in the business. As a behind the scenes guy at a sports radio station in Chicago..