Listen: Dulcie, Melbourne, Brisbane discussed on Conversations
"So after this debatable with lava Guido Colletti being mooted shot dead at a party in incident. She goes back to this wartime now since nineteen forty and a new lover. Fred Anderson was arrested for another gang land, murder start to cement reputation, the public eye as the angel of death. Oh, it certainly did. Yeah. Pedals Anderson had this marriage Peres pedaled from because you had really big fate of horse. To me. Times back in those days. So he had this emerging identity is this Sidney crook. But hey, was also trying to stake claim in the Melbourne crime scene and was connected to Dulcie. She was one of his lovers. She had a number of lovers who were across Sydney, Melbourne, and Brisbane at the same time as having other boyfriends and husbands. So she, she kept a lot of people in many places in paddles. Anderson was one of them reputation had gone national this point. You've got an article from the Perth mirror of the time. And says this about in the palm of her beautiful white hand men dance to the tune she calls and the Choon. She calls is death now saying she's got some sort of hoodoo curse about but, but what do you make this? I mean, this is very Raymond Chan like, isn't it? The fact picci's dieting, very, very volant men peps. That's the reason why they keep dying. What do you what do you think about that? Look thought crossed my mind many times reading the newspapers and the stories certainly centering around Dell. Those papers sensationalism is fantastic. She also fit into it as well. She would be found out side, the courtroom in tears, particularly wind pedals Anderson was going through the court system in the murder case sitting outside the courtroom crying, because she feels that these accursed that's following her. The associates. She's KP kind understated. These fillers like he'd coughing a bullet or deer idea idea. So do you think some degree that reputation that silly reputation as the angel of death might have helped her a little bit of might of my people, a little fried of her in the end of world, giving her a reputation that was to be feared? Yeah. I think so. I think people were afraid of it because of that reputation I think, oh, sorry, she was as I said before quite a smart operator. And she was somebody who was showed remarkable resilience in that violent underworld. So people knew to look at when she was around that she wasn't just as making mild female that was working for other people that she was controlling a lot of the business as well. I think it was mcaddo if you use ago, he had said the stories about the Melbourne gangland wars and. Cow in Melbourne and tell you live on street. If you knew somebody had a hit on the didn't want to sit with at lunch, and it's so true. I think they'll see kind of became that way struggling to find the lunchbox. Spotless peanut butter sandwich to lunch with the angel of death thirty monkey that one of these. So then this is wartime now. And of course, all the actions now in Brisbane again, because this is where suddenly all these American servicemen are now landing in Brisbane, hundreds of thousands of them now in Brisbane famously said to be paid and over here, dossey, then goes back to Brisbane and establishes her own brothel this time in new in new in Brisbane now use that she might have had a daughter read about this. Yeah, this references a couple of major cases and way, she's referring to having a daughter, and these one case when that child be quite young. And in ten years later, she refers to having a ten year old daughter. But there's a lot of questions that remain Aranda because the we don't know the name of daughter. I couldn't find records relating to her. And there's a lot of silences that descended on the Markham family about Dulcie to the point way when Dulcie nephew didn't. In fact, that Dulcie was his anti until his mother passed away, and he said, if uncovered. Story about his, his aunt Dulcie. So there's a lot of question marks that, that child, I couldn't uncover who that was. I think they probably become of private payers. I would imagine a automobile off today who've exist in ninety forty five. There's another boyfriend gunman named Liz, walk it in his shot to death in millburn another boyfriend. Doc- Malcolm's, again, I suppose the quick, would the press would have been quick to associate his death with the angel of death. Absolutely. Yeah. He was called Scotland Yard because he loved to read detective fiction. I don't know if he's trying to get the inside scape on, on the work that he was doing that fiction kind of way but he had this reputation working for key crime. Ladies in Melbourne, and also working in the gambling the illegal gambling Danes that existed at the time in Faulkner straight, and various other parts, particularly instant coda, and is this link. That's made that yes, he's one of Dulcie lovers. It's a little bit tenuous that one though because going three his Enquist another love. That's lost and going to the inquest. Mention of a very young beautiful female being his lover. He was married and you also had lovers, but it's very, it's a bit of a stretch of the imagination to think that could have been Dulcie because the ages, don't match and the identity doesn't quite fit with Dulcie. So again, she was associated with Leslie, welcome. But whether or not they were in a really close intimate relationship there remains a question Mike Ryan stunning to really struck me about all these is that. When people talk about the good, old days and the straightaway Beck, Wayne, when there was a simpler time, and people win nicer, and you didn't have to look door God. There's a lot of gun violence going on this wing shot. Dead in the straits and huge crime going on and rise rising gangs, and the like this seems like a much more violent here in Astrid in history. It seventy had violent parts, the places that you just didn't go, and we have that across any cities. We have that even today, but certainly in places like Sydney, Melbourne. There were areas that you knew were at a band at certain times of the night, that there were knowing straights that organized crime figures controlled so folk knew straight was well, nine in coda, and this is where Dulcie set up a life for herself when she was in, in Melbourne. It was none like to win. I lose. In the nineteen nineties. Yeah, it's the reputation carried on. Yeah. I mean, the these wonderful stories Brian Matthews and various other papal shade stories of what it was like to live next Dulcie. And so the reality was really would be bullets coming through the walls because of what was going on the house next door. After that, she escaped the crime was on the east coast and went up to two. Now, this is full city. Now, did her was her arrival noticed in Perth back in absolutely? The police officers in Paris, were always waiting for any of those eastern state crooks coming over and then trying to climb to the Paris market pair that at the time like to think of it self a little bit different. It wasn't as criminalist Sydney and moment, but the reality is that it had the ROY straight brothels that were notorious at the time number of brothel, madams controlled prostitution, sly grog and drug dealing time. Connected to the brothels and Calgary and cool guys did a lot of the women that became the madams on ROY straight, yet I'd worked in Calgary some of those women had worked in Sydney Melbourne, too. So the police where the detectives were quite intent on keeping the eastern states crooks because that's not what Western Australia was time. And then pups this, this DeAnne Bowen with. Her ninety s turns up, she's caught an abroad in the middle of the night and gives the name of DeAnne Bowen and the detectives go away and realize this isn't the envoy and in fact, this is also Markham or mere Eugene or any other that she used. And the thing is that she gave herself away because she was such a standout. She was so beautiful, and she was known so well, across the different underworld's that she couldn't possibly pies somebody else by that stage. Be nine for her relied entity. It was back to ninety and forty seven and she moved into a house and killed. It was sort of a halfway house at the time. What was going on in that in that place? It was Pepsi was seen as a safe house for some of the crooks in the area at the time, a place that you could guide ally Loy from the police, a place you could also to make some deals and the various rackets they had going at the time, and she she's living in this house, and she's associated with the growing number of more, and more crooks who are lock yourself. They based in Melbourne at the time, but some of them have connections to Sydney and Brisbane, and they, they all seem to, to help each other that when they're in Brisbane, they can look up interest at the time and look business. And so she is in this house, that as I say, became a place where number of organized crooks met an associated with others. There's a story about who from this time that she was picked up on the streets by the cops. Interesting stuff. Can you explain that story? She was she was caught by police officers, half naked running down the street with the next because one of her. Customers head had tried to run away with paying the full price. And she was adamant this was atrocious that this would happen because. This is just a slide on her character issues. Have thank you for the next and that wasn't an issue. Okay. So, so we really do know that she's kind of she's not thinking violet. At this point, she's been involved in crime in the criminal will the underworld for quite a few years now since that she's becoming hardened. Absolutely. Yeah. She had to become hadn't by it because it was away, which to survive the manner in which he showed yourself to be quite resilient was because she carefully maneuvering, a lot of those relationships, but she had to look after herself with fists on a number of occasions. But also to come across as a really tough person that was a way of protecting herself as well. This is Tom when she actually was charged with something very ridiculed serious. She was charged with conspiracy to murder a woman named Valme hull, what happened. There was an attempted murder case where the allegations were that Dell see had threatened the life of Maho, because she had been connected to the death of a one of these lovers and Sydney and sorry. This story went another one, other one. One. The story went that, that was seeking revenge. But this the charges never start because they couldn't entirely be proven that Dulcie had actually threaten the life of Maho. And also, there's the underworld code of silence. So people weren't talking afterwards actually say, what had happened is this recurring theme, the underworld coats code of songs because it seems again, and again, people being acquitted on charges or conspiracy to murder. Absolutely. And as the way that organized crime has been able to establish itself as that the leaders can be remote from crime because they have those who work for them. We'll keep that underworld code of silence white give anything away. And it was you knew at the time and Elsie new and many others. Need to in noisy situations that you didn't speak because you life would be threatened. Nineteen fifty one September. Dulcie first bullet that we know of to me how that happened. So she's taken up with a couple of brothers they or involved in organized crime, and Melvin the Walsh brothers. And there's a story, the story guys that they had been drinking at various pubs and Kilda possibly that Dulcie had been taking some Cain that day into that evening.."