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New data from the 2020 election shows a big swing in one voting group away from the Democratic Party. Latinos made a significant right would turn and partisans of both parties are looking hard at why one of them is David. Sure he is the head of data science had opened Labs R and D a progressive nonprofit, and he joins us now to talk about it. Hello? Hi. So after the election, there was this narrative that the Latino vote swung right because of Cubans in Florida or Mexican Americans in South Texas. But what did you find when you looked precinct by precinct? Precinct by precinct. You know what we really found was that even though there were particularly market shifts, you know, in South Texas, there were 30 point swings in many counties. You know, there were counties that voted for Democrats solidly in the 70 to 80% range since the 18 nineties that Trump either won or came very close to winning. And in South Florida generally and Florida in general, there was something like a 13 or 14% swing. That said, basically everywhere where there were large concentrations of Hispanic voters. There were large swings in the 6 to 9% range. And you know that ranges from you know the Bronx in New York to Arizona to Massachusetts to California. This was a national trend that happened basically everywhere And you know, one of the biggest predictors of switching from voting for Clinton in 2016 to voting in Trump, where attitudes toward crime attitude short policing, you know, I think that that's a microcosm for like a larger story. So when you spend time talking to these folks, what did they tell you was behind that? I mean, was it the sort of racial justice issues that to fund the police was just not a popular message to them. I think the simplest way to look at this is ideology. I think that in the last four years as the clout of college educated white people in the Democratic Party has increase, you know, the Democratic Party brand has increasingly been associated with liberalism in a way that it might not have been before, And I think that there's a lot of micro stories. I think that you know if you look at defund the police that's a highly ideological issue where liberals are on one end and conservatives on the other, and that really contrast to other issues. You know, like increasing the minimum wage or getting people health care where there really are a lot of conservatives who defect and have liberal positions on these issues. So the logic I guess follows that talking about highly partisan issues like immigration, for example, isn't a winning formula. In fact, most Hispanics wouldn't necessarily put immigration at the top of their list of priorities for reform. Why, then does the Democratic Party trying so hard to push these messages? It's a great question, You know, I think that there's something that you know, I've struggled with a lot in my career. And I think there's been a really big change in how Democrats talk that you know, Democrats historically were seen as this kind of coalition party that you know, we had this broad mix of conservative black and Hispanic voters and white liberals and working class white people. And, you know, we tried to find language that would make everyone happy. But I think with the rise of online donations with the rise of social media Yeah, This is like, really change the incentive structure for how a democratic politician can get ahead and I think that that's really changed. How we talk and how the party is perceived in really fundamental ways. Well, one party's loss is another's gain. And you've concluded that former President Donald Trump and by extension Trumpism has been good for the Republican Party in terms of broadening and diversifying its base. Well, you know, I definitely don't want to say that Donald Trump is good. You know, I'm a liberal Democrat and everything, but I think there's a real point, which is that the big thing that Donald Trump did is he created these large coalitional shifts, you know, in 2016 among non college whites and in 2020 among non college nonwhites. Toward the Republican Party and kind of pushed, you know, college educated voters toward the Democratic Party. But these voters aren't distributed, you know, efficiently geographically, you know, Donald Trump because of these coalition shifts that his strategy you know, ended up making happen. The bias of the Electoral College went from, you know about a point in favor of Democrats. If Barack Obama had gotten 49.5% of the vote, he still probably would have won the Electoral college to being four points biased against Democrats. Joe Biden got about 52.3% of the vote, and if he had gotten 52% of the vote, he would have lost. And that's a sea change in American politics. That's the way in which I think Donald Trump has helped the Republican Party is that the coalition shifts that his rhetoric have triggered has made it so that Republicans can win majorities with 48% of the vote consistently, and, you know, contrary to what people might say This is never happened before in American politics, and I think that this explains, you know a lot of why the Republican Party is acting the way they are. David Shore, head of data science and open labs, R and D. Thank you very much. Thank you. Costa Rica is ancient indigenous people made pots from clay and from stone. They carved figurines and tools and for nearly a century, the Brooklyn Museum had many of these artifacts in its collection. Recently and announced that it had repatriated more than 1300 objects to the museum. National The Costa Rica I view it as a win win situation. That's Nancy Rosado, senior curated for the Arts of the Americas at the Brooklyn Museum. She initiated the reparation after she was hired in 2000 and one As I was in storage, paying the collections, I noticed that there was a great deal of material from Costa Rica. And as I looked more closely, I saw a lot of it was ceramics that were not in great condition. There was stone tools that an art museum would never display. But those ceramics had high research value. So Brasov reached out to the muscle National, the Costa Rica. It's a museum is devoted to the antiquities of Costa Rica. I think the will be better. Equipped to make the necessary repairs to some gorgeous ceramics and stone work that we just were not equipped to do here. See when I'm sure there's a spirit that Galactica's cannot in many of these archaeological pieces. We didn't have specimens like them. That's heavier fires. A curator at the Musee national, He's excited about one artifact, in particular a large carved headstone. It wasn't finished. Estelle Appiah knows the not permitted. This headstone allows us to understand how artisans created them in the ancient times that the scientific level it's a very important aspect to understand how they worked on stone computer. That unfinished headstone is in the second wave of repatriated objects from the Brooklyn Museum. The first was about a decade ago. The objects were donated by the widow of minor Cooper, Keith and American tycoon involved in the founding of the United Fruit Company, which exported bananas at the turn of the last century. Keith also built Costa Rica is railroad and exploited workers on his way to Fortune and Fame Writer David Copal spoke to the NPR podcast through line about Keith's legacy last year in the banana world. The workers are slaves. I mean, that's really the only way to put it. It's an era of sanctioned slavery. With the support of the United States government. Keast workers uncovered ancient artifacts while clearing land in Costa Rica. He shipped around 16,000 objects back to his home in New York about 1/4 of those ended up at.

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