David Victor, Andy, Soviet Union discussed on Radiolab


The world. I grew up in a sense, it was completely crazy, mutually assured destruction, but it makes sense. And you could understand in very simple terms. That states was Soviet Union. We're going to be eviscerated. That was clear. But you About the bonds of parables. You're nostalgic for mutually assured destruction. Is that what's happening now? It seems a much simpler world. Well, you at least knew who to blame for it, right? It's Andy again like that's the thing like you look at the Cold War and you could see, like specifically like Soviets, you Americans, the nukes. That's right. That's right. And now Yeah, well, my supposed to say you two I'm saying Beautiful, Everybody carbon emissions. Speaking of which, today, the world's leading climate, scientists warn it will get work. No doubt. One of the reasons for the current gloom is that we're in the middle of an uncomfortable shift in how we talk about climate change waves will be more frequent and last long. This is made official when the PCC the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, released a report where for the first time they stopped using the language of prevention. And shifted to the language of adaptation. In other words, hundreds of scientists and policymakers, This is the world's top organization for assessing climate change. We're now saying we can't stop it. It's inevitable. So now we need to talk about dealing with the mess that is now on our doorstep. That's David Victor, professor of international relations at University of California, San Diego, and he is one of the authors of the report. When the IPCC first began back in the late 19 eighties, you could imagine That people would take the climate change problem seriously. They would start to control emissions and then over a period of decades, climate would stop changing and instead, what's happened is people have talked a lot about climate change, but they haven't actually done much to control emissions. And now, he says, We're on this strange middle ground where we're trying to find the language to say why it's important to keep working at this. While at the same time Admitting some degree of failure, and that's the kind of inevitability that I think you see in the new the new reports, and the reports are bending over backwards to try and find ways to be optimistic, the report says. If you put into place all these technologies and international agreements we could we could still stop warming up two degrees. My own assessment is that the kinds of actions you need to do that are so heroic that We're not going to see them on this planet. All of which reminded me of that true detective moment, I'd consider myself a realist time putting yourself in terms on what's called a pessimist. Okay. What's that mean? Well, pessimists like nihilist.

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