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This encounter but would we do our what I did. Manage to find suggests ended. Minimal detail suggests suggests a wide variety of sexual experiences at isn't surprising which is not at all surprising. The only example I saw of a sworn virgin the reversing there. There was a woman named Fatima who was called when she lived as a man who resumed living as a woman in her late twenties office. She demand that she wanted to marry and they married and had several children. Okay so that's the only instance that I found somebody like openly regressing vow of chastity taller ones. One version was attracted to men. Do we know about this person's identity or do we just knowing that they decided they want to marry a man and therefore we know that they lead as a woman often they got married. And that's really all that I can tell you. I decided to start. That guarantees the woman. I guess that's the only option to marry. The person like this person could have identified as a man will like like something else something else. Yeah while I'm in love with this now I won't kid some too so this is the antea if we're going to discuss the possibility of women dishonest Lewis men eventful. Yeah that's absolutely true like setting. That could have been doing that. Yeah any raise unlike. Ah There's no option really for us will imagine to marry her family. There have like there was sworn virgins. Who Foster children of cutting often like the children of relatives who had died? I think like that even if they didn't because of the way Albanian households structured generally living in a household Ashley. Blake siblings children. Anyway but yeah are we are aware that like at least one sworn virgin interested in men wanted to have sex with them. I always all we can say about that on the other. Hand a lot of men who interviewed about this will in Virgin friends remembered them making Mike sort of sexual comments in passing about women when they were talking in groups of men just in that sort of very like I guess casuals men do away like Mike One Court that somebody mentioned remembering start saying to them was. Oh if I could somehow drive the daughter of Mila Vat into a corner. Come across her in seclusion Talking about women which it's very hard to tell I guess in that context whether that's an expression of sexual attraction or an expression expression of masculine. Yeah I- shame for some people. It wasn't expression of sexual attraction and for all of us. It was just tell both yeah. I read another another interview with a sworn virgin named stem a- who said when asked about whether they felt that they missed on marriage and what kind of life they might have had. I've been married said I suppose if I got married I would have married a traditional Albanian woman. which is I guess a much more? I'm not easy to great. I feel comment. That sort of like locker room told me. Yeah so they are saying themselves in the role of a man who has taken about Chastity Robin in the role of a a woman who has taken. Yeah Yeah but then again. It's also hard to say whether they are expressing that because they like I'm attracted to women or whether it's because they are man. Yeah yeah that's what man's role. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Do you know of any talked about chassis itself appealing to yet. Let's 'cause we've talked about respecting marriage. What rejecting sex? Several people talked about lack of sexual desire. They didn't often say that that had been something that appealed to about the life But when they were asked about this actual design whether the valve chastity had been difficult. Full one sworn virgin hockey said five. Always been like an old woman without sexual feelings. Okay another and this isn't a direct quote. This is something a woman said about her. Sworn Virgin relative said he said he has no sexual interest even though he used to be very attractive. I'm sure a little bit like Garrick. It it will something several people said when they were asked about the values of chastity they would be like clear to be specific that they will hurry attractive in that youth breath. This just hadn't been something that I could have had sex but I didn't want to but I didn't want to. All this life was better otherwise a lot of them. You just described sex as a small thing to give up one swoon. Virgin said five minutes of pleasure is a small price to pay for a lifetime of slavery and just in general the culture of the Albany in mountains very little emphasis on the idea of sex as pleasurable or a recreational act. Any sorry mankind of expected had to have a sex drive to give into your sex drive is on masculine thing to Okay now outside of I guess. Outside outside of your marriage you're married outside of procreation and discussion of like women having sexual desires. I guess they have the baby's piece of research in the face of this tried to ask sworn virgins or people who knew sworn virgins about whether they were attracted to women whether being swollen virgin was being a lesbian. This is something that comes up a bit. I'm yes yeah and will often just face with light confusion whether it was confusion vision about why you would conflate a sworn virgin with a lesbian or confusion about women having sexual desires for boys of came up. Yeah I mean I guess we've talked about how racers might struggle to communicate who they even looking for. Because there's no routes one regions how they communicating. It has been like. Yeah and if you're asking about lesbianism does the person you're asking undestand because they like you're asking about women being attracted to women. We're talking about hockey. He's a man. What yeah depending on how they perceive a sworn virgins gender themself as lots of ways this communication could break down around the track year and beyond that there's an extent to which people will just refuse to answer things that I find it inappropriate to ask claim flame? They know nothing about it because to hear about lesbians. It's just not done. I mean I think it was a good example. You gave before where the journalist this person's house and was like you asked me about it. It would be very frustrating if these people were coming into your village all the time like all this month so check. If you're a lesbian you'd be like Oh this again yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. What is a Lesbian Rene? Grandma does mention having heard of a case of a sworn virgin who moved in with a close friend who was another sworn virgin end. They availed blood sister ship to each other and having done that lived their lives together and organized for their property to be pasta onto the album. It could be gay. They could be lesbian. They could be completely platonic after sexual true on the way they could be literally. Anything are pretty much the early hours into sworn virgins in a relationship while they were like sworn virgins that I could find listen. It's nothing renee. Did mention that people. He spur two in the village sometimes referred to the couple as lesbians. I thought he interpreted that as kind of Vallejo more modern understanding ending up sexuality on a traditional like cultural practice and so it's unclear whether they will lesbians themselves or whether people just rented this way. Or what did is Komo may mean by lesbian. Yeah like people who were assigned came out both agreed to spend their life together. So I'm GONNA use the word lesbian to convey that yeah regardless regardless of how I even understand specific relationship to each other. Yeah I do expect this. Maybe and extent to which local people talking to add for apologists about this. Ah simplifying simplifying. Because they're like the TAB that these dumb it through politics I'm Santa's lesbians about West at Sexuality you'll get it if I say Betas. Yeah you'll leave me alone. There were lesbian. Hey My bra politics is like yes and drives away way so you either. The attic of the United States is that like Albanian scholarship that is Albanian scholarship on this and speak so I can't really speak to the Albanian scholarship except where other people have referenced. I wonder if it's best. Yeah I don't know because I feel like a favorite of what we've discussed is just like a breakdown of.