President Trump, Nancy Pelosi, Northern Ireland discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts


Well, that is a central. Problem. I said many times that in Northern Ireland in the Middle East and elsewhere lack of trust indeed active mistrust is the central contributor to the problem. Because if you don't believe anything of aside says it's very hard to take action on it. I overcame that Noel that island by setting out a deeply details series of steps to be taken by all sides negotiated in advance in private before they would take an in public. So that it eliminated the need for trust other than that. They would keep the word of what they agreed to which they did. But I think that's a huge factor. And it's a big problem for Democrats. Go sheeting fact that the president does repeatedly changes mind as he demonstrated on this very issue just a couple of weeks ago, nonetheless, he is the president. There is an issue. There is a problem. It must be solved and therefore negotiations must take place. Although. Not an optimal conditions. You have to deal with the reality. As it exists. Not as you wish it were. You know, we spoken a lot about President Trump here. But I, you know, if you were say there were mediator between between Republicans and Democrats right now, what would you tell house speaker Nancy Pelosi? What would you advise her? While I think speaker Pelosi has chosen what I believed to be the proper course, and that is to enact all of the appropriations legislation that is unrelated to border and border security and allow the government to go forward to me that makes clear sense. The president has reversed has rejected that although she's going to enact quoting to the press the appropriations bills the house that the Republicans in the Senate themselves approved just a short time ago was one reason why they're desperate to tape. Get their own Bill up there to look like they're taking action because they're embarrassed. By the fact that the bills that they pass are now unacceptable to the president in this current impasse. I do think that Nancy who's I is is a friend and someone I like and respect is ultimately going to have to recognize as will Chuck Schumer. That at some point the has to be negotiation. No matter the circumstances. And I think the going to recognize that it can't be done at different levels much negotiation that I did in Northern Ireland was in private and in some cases in complete secrecy, and you don't do everything in public through televised appearances. And I think that has to happen at some point in whatever circumstances exist to bring to bring about an opening of the government, and then a negotiation over the very serious issues that we face on immigration. So that's a really interesting point. And I wondering how do we how do we get to that point where there are substantial talks in private because so much, and in fact, our caller was hinting to this as well, he was he was basically saying that so much it is happening in the public sphere through the media through social media through moments where I mean, as you know, Senator Mitchell when Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer were sitting in the. The Oval Office, and the president invited the White House press pool in I mean, I is their way to get beyond the beyond the highly public nature of the the the sniping that we're seeing going on who one of the great challenges that I faced Northern Ireland the Middle East in which our leaders faced today is the competition values between the public right to know conducting public business in public and the necessity that some discussions and negotiations must occur in private and in secrecy. It's very hard to do it particularly in a country like ours, where we have an open system social media. Everybody's a reporter. Everybody's got a camera to take your picture wherever you are record. What you're saying wants to know what you said three minutes ago, and yet some go actions have to occur in private and in secrecy. That's the only way. Can function. It's a tremendous challenge. There's a tension between the two I faced often when I was Senate majority leader, and when I served in Northern Ireland and the.

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