Persson, Taliban, Romeo Juliet discussed on QUEERY with Cameron Esposito


When you look at when you look at the issue, deportation, est going off forever. You will. You look at the show up cease Taliban communities of people color that so forever. When you look at the history of mass incarceration, I may other, you know a school to prison pipeline. These all things that we're talking about now. I mean, uh, specially on communities that have not the communities that are impacted by the same way, but it's not this in going up. But time said, I'm so glad to hear that correction because you're right. And I think, well, I guess I just look back at like my schooling. I mean, I know you can't see me can only voice, but I will tell you I am a white person and my schooling, like maybe I would have read about. A character dealing with like one issue. You know what I mean? Like maybe I would have read a book where there was like a young black woman who was like the first person to integrate a school or whatever. You know, like I would have read like that book, but she would have existed. Sort of like outside the framework of a system is just like one issue at a time sort of thing as opposed to like what you're doing with this book is almost acting as if like a bunch of issues happen together and are all systemically related. Like, wouldn't that be wild? If that was true. If they interacted with each other, the affected by them and also the the issues interacted with each other directly. And I think that's something that feels like different about this book, but you're right, it's not like of course, that's how it's been the whole time. That just wasn't my experience as a reader. Yeah, school is. I remember, you know, if you come soft lose twenty years ago and it's about a kid who gets killed in case is a retelling of Romeo Juliet, twenty years ago I asked I self will what would be they'd be now in the nineteen nineties, and that would kill a young boy. And that was the thing that that was the devil we knew. And when you open that book today, looks like a headline chase implant. It was twenty years ago right now this last year. When you look at Diablo when you look at at imperial in the history of. On people who are killed by cops back in the day is just a long line of the same crap. I mean, I, I think it's it's wild to. I don't know if you if you when you wrote that in the nineties was the response that people like believed that that was a thing that happened like I'm just curious about like a general like literary world response. Well, black communities were like, Yup. Eight communities like this would never happen. And you know, I got that feedback a couple of times and I was like, wait what you know, because they didn't have social media. We didn't have the same everyday hype lines that was showing the world the what was happening in communities. And so so now we do have that and it it's different. But yeah, back then it got us an interesting response in that some people were like. It could never happen Mike. Why is she writing this look? This lay basically. I mean, I, I completely believe that because I am away Persson who was alive in the nineties, and I can imagine that if I encountered that book, I mean, I would have been like a kids. I don't know that I would have been able to now speak on it, but I think even my teach, like I just think it would have been like a, what if this happened sort of thing as opposed to like, oh, this is the thing that happens. And here's a way that you could care about it by like being introduced to these characters kind of thing, even if it's outside of your community. Yeah, it's an interesting how we come to our empathy, right? And I think so much that comes to us through being exposed to who and what we don't know and for some of the young people that's through literature. So for me, it was the question I was asking was, how do we get people to think about other people and the answers they need to feel something for them I and in the case of jail Mayan..

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