President Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Kentucky discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network


Is Josh Barrow. Welcome to left right and center. You're civilized yet. Provocative antidote to the self contained opinion bubbles that dominate political debate. It is the first week of November and and this week the New York Times made a lot of liberals nervous new high-quality battleground state polls from the Times paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message from the national polling. We see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders part of the message. Here is that trump's electoral college advantage appears to be widening. That is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs that continue to weaken Republicans with part of their traditional base. That may be taken away. Votes in Texas or even more votes in California Nia but in Pennsylvania Michigan Wisconsin. Those effects aren't as important things remain close and you could conceivably see Donald trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by fine even wider margin than he lost last time and that has a lot of Democrats wondering what they need to do in this primary to prevent that from happening. We're GonNa talk about that later today. And how you should think think about polls so far in advance of an election but now let's bring in our left right and center panel as always. I'm your center. I'm joined by rich lowry editor of National Review on the right and on the leftist Sabil Rahman of dimos we also have a special guest today oil Edwards Levy who is reporter and pulling editor at Huffpost. Hello everyone hey josh hi everybody so. There were elections on Tuesday and a few states. We can talk about two thousand nineteen elections before we turn to twenty twenty And Republicans did hold onto the governorship in Mississippi By about six points nights but in Kentucky Republican incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last-minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state. Andy Bashir won that Election Kentucky succeeding. Seeding were other. Democrats have failed in two ways. He held onto port of the ancestral democratic base in Appalachian Eastern Kentucky which is otherwise swung hard toward Republicans. Any any made inroads in once strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville and Cincinnati. The suburbs also delivered for Democrats in Virginia giving the Party control of both chambers of the state legislature and and therefore full control of that state's government for the first time in decades Seville. What lessons do you see in these results as Democrats look next year so a couple of things jump out I is this is a pretty important result for the Democrats right. You have a really important shift in Virginia now with the TRIFECTA that's GonNa change the politics and the policies that come matter that state. And when you compare Virginia Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really as strong pattern across the different states We'll see there also is a similar move happening in rural counties to in the other direction and I'm sure we'll talk about that in a moment The other thing as you know there is a grain of salt rate. It's twenty nine hundred dollars off your election. it's hard to extrapolate national trends. So it's this isn't quite the same as the precursor to twenty eighteen But it is a strong result for the Democrats rich. When you look at Virginia Democrats? It felt like we're having a rough year in Virginia. You know you had the the black face scandal with the governor and the other black face scandal with the attorney general and rape accusations against the Lieutenant Lieutenant Governor and some Democrats in the legislature and the governor staking out a position on abortion that Republicans thought was very extreme outrage. The median voter. None of that seems to have stopped the steady forward march of Virginia becoming a blue state. Yes this is a marshes right word. It's a trend. That's been going on for a long time. Has To do with demographic changes in the state state becoming better educated more suburban more diverse so the whole divide. We're seeing now between the suburbs and more more rural working class voters. It's something that's been going on for quite a long time. And trump has just accelerated it and he's His conduct is repellent to a lot of of former Republicans in the suburbs especially women with the question. And I guess stresses in a little bit is whether he can do what he didn't twenty sixteen. Draw a A broadly or radioactive released easy to make radioactive opponent and take off enough of the edge in in the suburbs to just barely over the top again. Arielle is the national story that simple as you know. Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs and Democrats grads keep doing worse in rural areas and if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties I mean I think that is in large part. What we we are seeing across the country and you know I think that can obscure that there will always be things happening in particular race in particular level I mean new saw that in Kentucky where there were certainly considerations that were not national politics? Obviously that's the gubernatorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship is going to influence people's votes but you are seeing these broader demographic trends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more and you know. Now we'll see whether that ends up evening out and whose favor that is rich. The governors are real notes. There were some specific local factors. Matt Bevin was not not the best liked person including institutionally in the Republican Party in Kentucky. He tried to defeat Mitch. McConnell and a primary few years ago so after this close result he lost by about five thousand thousand votes. He's basically said he's not going to concede he thinks there were regularities. You want a free canvas. Maybe he's going to contest the election first of all. What do you like? He lost. What what do you make of him coming out and saying that and then also what do you make of the response to the Republican Party and Kentucky which has been mostly just sort of ignore him and say well he lost the five thousand votes is not a a lot ought in the scheme of things? But in the recount. Are- canvas sincere a scenario huge and the chances overturning that are extremely minimal basically impossible bowl so the trend we saw stacey. Abrams do Georgia as well. You lost please be gracious about it very tough thing personally as hard take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards. How you re truly the winter? When clearly weren't bill I as I hear Democrats worrying about you? Know what's is is trump to admit he lost if he loses the twenty twenty election. And this I. I've not been very worried about that. For reasons. That are are playing out on the Ground Kentucky. which is you know you can say? I didn't lose. I didn't lose and that can be irrelevant if other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here. You know a partly. I think you know as as rich noting five thousand votes as a lot if it was five hundred votes we might see a different different situation. But also it's it's parallel to trump in that you have an executive who the other institutional elements in the party. Never really wanted in charge. And there's a part of them that I'm sure whereas just pleased to be done with them. Yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful lesson I hope you're right Taking the model of of Kentucky I mean. Look here's the here's the challenge in some ways the the decision making factor here is GonNa be the rest of the institutional right. What the party things right? If the Party doesn't go along with it then it just just become sort of a slightly embarrassing stance on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away. In Our democracy proceeds in democracy only works if both sides recognize the legitimacy the results right and so I think that's our right. What I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios you know? They're they're such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional powerbrokers of the Republican Party disarray fall in line with the president that that's where I would put more concern right presents going to do what he's GonNa do. He always has but at what point does the rest of the party decide. You know what the rules are the rules we have We have other people can put forward in an electoral contest and we. We don't need to keep following this train. Well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a that's a good time for us. Talk about impeachment Rich there's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense is that House Republicans are talking about I as it becomes clearer that there was some sort of quid pro quo here around Ukraine ambassador Gordon. Sunland has changed his mind. He refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investigating the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid. And so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially Ashley these guys were freelancing. Yes somehow a message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo that but maybe trump never authorized them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want I want to go after. All trump specifically denied Senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed a quid pro quo and especially in the case of Rudy Giuliani. Maybe he was even acting for his zone independent financial interests he had all these business interests. New Crane maybe he was using his position close to the president to push his own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo idea came from and the president is innocent. And I think in that context. It's worth considering a tweet. That Rudy Giuliani said this week. That looks outwardly. Defensive the president but I'm not sure it is. He says the investigation I conducted concerning twenty sixteen Ukrainian collusion and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the the president to basically throw Rudy Giuliani under the bus. And say you know whatever these people did. The president did authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. I did this in my capacity as the president's it's agents. Yes I'd say a couple of things one. There's a glimmer of an opening for this defense because most the people we've heard from so far really almost all the people we've heard from so far had had what trump was thinking is second or third hand because they weren't the insiders which is more Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely entirely plausible. That Giuliani and important respects was freelancing but I think that would have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine. So it's just hard to believe off that that these guys got this cooked up this idea on on their own. How how did the defense aid get withheld toward someone that too? And trump mentioned on the call talked to Rudy. which again is an indication that he and rudy are are on the on the same board on this soap a month ago? We're still pretty early. I had a theory that in my defense I offered tentatively that maybe there was the intention of a quid pro quo never really got to the Ukrainians clear. At least it got got to the Ukrainians. And I still. I know you're skeptic Josh but I think the Defense Republican senators will end up falling back on is they got the money. And they didn't make a statement about investigations and this is. This is the sideshow Bob Defense. You know the attempted murder. There's no there's no Nobel prize for attempted chemistry right But that in the Simpsons Simpson's that's a joke like as you know. Is it really good enough to say well. You know the president didn't get away with it and therefore no harm no foul. Yeah I think it any any fifth-grader recognizes just how paper thin excuses is. You know won't get you very far in in the real world and we'll get very far here. It's it's it's not an excuse at all right. Of course the the the the point is in the attempt and I agree with what Richard I mean these Excuse the freelancing. Excuse this each week. There's a new sort of angle right and and they all kind of keep falling down one after another in large part because of stuff that the president and Giuliani and others keep saying on live. TV and on twitter from their own mouths so it it is kind of absurd so I know you hate this question rich but I so. This still isn't impeachable and I ask again. I wanted to because of that. Giuliani tweet because one thing that we've been talking talking about is you know what what exactly was role when the president says talked to Rudy and you had said I think accurately sometimes have presidents have unofficial envoys. They have people who are close to them who act as emissaries and that is not inherently inappropriate. That's true but again we have rudy. Giuliani saying here that that he was quote solely unquote acting acting as defense attorney to Donald Trump. which is to say that you know whatever he was doing he was not doing it as an unofficial envoy the United States he was doing it as a personal attorney?.

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