Welcome back in boston public radio. She's mark egan. I'm jim brady as recently as yesterday. Governor baker would not tell us whether is running for a third term as governor. The person joining us in line however has told all of us danielle jumped into the race last week. She's among three democrats now running for governor. Her decision comes after allen who most recently directed harvard safra center for ethics announced that she was exploring candidacy. Last december daniele ellen. Welcome to the show. We're glad to talk to you. Good morning jim. Good morning glad to be here. Great thank you. Thank you very much for joining us daniel allen. So let's start off because many people may not know you so tell us a little bit about yourself sure. Lots of folks know the basics. I'm a policy expert who focuses on education health justice jobs and democracy folks often. I'm a professor at harvard. And i've had the great privilege over the last twenty years to lead organizations at all scales from startups to six billion dollar philanthropy. What people often don't know about me. As i am from a huge family we have experienced full range of challenge and opportunity in our society so issues of addiction homelessness incarceration. I have wrestled through all those things with my family members. We believe in keeping everybody connected connecting to empower. Tried to put the floor back under everybody forward together. That's the spirit that i'm bringing to this. Run for governor danielle l. Will i. I read a bio. When genius award i think that's very impressive to moss to mention that macarthur fellowship genius award. That's pretty neat. And it's unbelievable. This this other big prize won by the former president of harvard. Japan faust Turned it down margaret's didn't lie. I didn't want to say danielle allen was reading your history wide. I read that you were exploring this. It sounds like you had one of those elizabeth warren conservative to progressive conversions midlife. What if that's true. What caused it so. The mind came early. Life not midlife. It really came at the end of college. That transitional period from college to graduate school what caused it was really just a lot of important eye opening conversation. I had an internship. The summer my junior year in college at national review magazine nineteen ninety-two. That was the year that people were really starting to look at data on income inequality and i remember sitting in editorial meetings and people were work shopping. The data and i you know was kind of an effort to find a way for it not to be there. Obviously it was there And it's about what it meant and the take that was coming out of the meeting was that it was okay that income inequality was increasing as long as you could think that down the line. You know people's kids grandkids would would be okay that there were still mobility and that just seemed really wrong to me. As i was sitting in those meetings i thought it was really important for our political chutian to be focused on everybody's well being in the present. It wasn't enough of punch to the future. The idea that people might be okay in the future. So that was my real break point..