Listen: Eric Jones, Eli Manning, Cleveland Browns discussed on John Jastremski
"The stage for the jets who will play later on this evening taking Myles Garrett. Taken on the Cleveland Browns who are searching for their first win. And basically what a year and a half to have a one since December of two thousand and sixteen and yet if you look the Vegas line the Browns will go into this game despite that streak confu Tilleke as a three point favorite against the one and one New York Jetson, we'll see how the jets are gonna handle Myles Garrett. We'll see how the jets going to match you up against tyrod Taylor and Carlos sad. See my old pal. Jarvis Landry is going to suit up for the brownies and the sense. I get around Cleveland from people I talked to I have a bunny to was out there that big Browns fans, big Indians fans and. Dying. And I mean dying to see Baker Mayfield on the Senate. And you mock my words, and this is going to be another game with the Browns only put up let's say fourteen to seventeen points and their offense lethargic and ended up losing to the jets. Only why didn't that clock to when Baker Mayfield is going to make his NFL debut. But when we get into this check in and we will. This is a game where if you're Todd Bowles, and you want to be here for a long time. And you want to show me wanna show the fan base? And you want to have the belief all of a sudden now that this team will be prepared short week on the road. You don't like the fact he had you'll let down against the Miami Dolphins these games where your team needs to be ready to go because I'm sorry. The Browns ever wanted came in a year and a half you want to be the team. At least I won't if I were coaching on the other side line. I wouldn't want to be the coach I wouldn't want to be the quarterback. I wouldn't wanna be a port of ending the futility now understand still is easily kvass Taku. Brass force like six turnovers and still couldn't win the saints on the road easily could have lost equivalent. So I understand Cleveland and Owen too. Easily could be too. Well, but they're not I wanted to may reasons why is there poet coast? You must boards the Browns will never ever ever do anything of substance. Were you Jackson? We didn't help. It's not a quality football coach. So all I needed to see in hard knocks when Todd Haley was them. Scott bad track record seems well one game in two years two and a half years with tuna third year. Whatever you want to phrase it coin be my guest. Good. Jury's out on Todd Bowles. Coach is going to be here for a long time. Devoid, those let doubts they get team ready to go. You lost the dolphins shopping at I f at that bat loss in the first half. Let me see how you gonna perform for four quarters on the road short week. Save the jets and more specifically the head coach. And so the challenge said Stanton Island New York Eric Jones is Eric you're on the fan. Hey, JJ has it gone. Speak, man. What's happening, bro? Not much just a suffering. Giants fan right now. I can understand it Eric you should be suffering. You team's been tough to watch. Here's what I don't understand. How come nobody is cold out? John Mara for the situation. They're in to me. He's the head is at the head of who's to blame. Here. I mean him with mcadoo with that complete the Bockel last year with he li- manning. And because of what came out of that, he basically folded to the pressure of the fans after that horrible optic of ally. Crying, and I'm going to Gino Smith, he was getting letters to his office about how could you do this to a New York legends and so on and so forth. I think the plane was Eli wasn't gonna be this year. And they got away from that plan because he completely folded under the pressure of the optic of how they handled Eli situation last year. Eric. Excellent point. And if you wanna be critical of John There'a for the way last year went down. I think you're well within your rights, and if you want to be critical of everybody within a giant organization for bypass and a quarterback in I totally agree. And I think it's a combination of a couple of things when you go back to the general manager search Eric when eight higher Dave Gettleman. I wonder now I don't have definitive proof. I wasn't there. I mean, maybe they went into the whole process with an open mind. But I do get the sense that when the giants hired a GM they wanted to hire a GM who's gonna go about winning right away and try to build with dean and build with Eli as opposed to just completely rebuilding the organization with the younger quarterback. And I think you learned that from the way ghetto manhandled the off season for the way, he talked about manning and then take and saquon Barkley too, I didn't marijuana to make sure that going into this year that he was going to be here. I think there's something to be said for that. Agree. I'll take it a step further. I think it was a prerequisite for them and even get the job that he has to be that you had to be here this year. And if that was the case shame on the New York Giants and shame on John Mara. And shame on Dave Gettleman. And I keep saying this, Eric, and I know the state qua- barcode financial state area. Is it going to like to hear this? I say crunch tremendous. I think he's a terrific talent from everything I've heard he's a terrific kid. He's an easy gotta root for he wants to be great. He's probably going to be great. But it was the wrong pick at the wrong time. No other way rounding would wear the giants ours. A franchise. It was done wrong pick at the wrong time. I will take this to the grave. I don't think you I manning has elite and top-notch football left in that right on night to geek can be a competent quarterback in this league. But that's if Eric everything is right and everything around him is top notch which. It's not with the team. And when you take Barkley too. I said this undrafted I'll state again. Now, the idea is that you to maximize the championship window this year and next year. And with the looks at things giants don't appear anywhere close. I agree. And you know, what Ben mcadoo in no way, shape or form should be the giants head coach. But let's be let's give credit with credits due. Ben mcadoo seen that manning was finished. He knew this. He had the gumption. The call out Eli manning and a lot of those horrible games last year. And he suffered in the end. I mean, he didn't deserve to be here this year anyway, do but he actually seen the writing on the wall with Eli. And in the end that was as well. The biggest issue for him. Eric was the fact that he went to Gino Smith. I'm telling you. You went to Davis Webb last year. Now, it probably would have got fired anyway because there were so many things within that locker room that which is toxic. I mean the way the defense just flat out quit multiple gains. It was such a bad. Look this season. It taken such a rotten Tehran that they almost needed to make a change. But giant fans I say back in December would've understood looking at Davis Webb winded up being a guy that got released the guy that really didn't have much of an NFL future. But at least hijack you could have said, all right. Maybe he has a future within the franchise. We all knew Gina Smith had no future within the franchise. Handle it the way that he did was an embarrassment. But Eric, I ask you this. And I know you are an appreciative Jonathan and you're smart, you're reasonable giant fan. This quarterback view is one you two Super Bowls. This quarterback is going to end up in canton, Ohio. So I don't want to disparage Eli, but I ask you know, as he a top twenty quarterback in his sport right now. No. And if you ask anybody outside of New York and New York fans who've seen it when those two Super Bowls. They'll tell you to a man that he's not even in the top twenty twenty-five quarterback. But let me get to on the coach real quick. If I can the the interview with Mike francesa. I mean, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. First of all, I'm glad Mike took him to task second of all. I don't know about you. But the first thing that came to my head listening to that interview. You could call sour grapes, or whatever was Mike Holmgren aside criticism of him before he came here that he had a hard time handling the media. You got your repeated easily like didn't even want to be bothered answering questions, and that was the first thing that popped into my head because that's what it sounds like after during that interview. Well, was not cool for Pat Shurmur, Eric, and I appreciate the call could call there. I don't wanna look at it though. Where all of a sudden I rushed to judgement and say, I this is why Pat Shurmur can't coach here in this town. It's two games. Here's what will be the telltale sign you having offensive line nightmares. You have a quarterback who's not doing the job. You have an offense that has been as anemic is can be for two weeks. Okay. You're only two. This is. Pretty close to a must win only three numbers. Don't back you up going from only three and finding your way into the postseason. What do you have in store for the Houston? Texans. What are you gonna drop to combat watt? Cloudy merciless. Well, you gonna do. That'll be the Mark. Of a good play caller and more. Specifically the head coach making the adjustments figuring out what you need to do in order to win. I sit down at Chapel Hill North Carolina GW nest. GW? Let's go pal. Watching the replay right now. 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