Catholic Church, BOB, Michelle discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
And we're back with shallow ball on Jay, as we talk about her work as a D Manala, just Michelle your Catholic. I'm a Catholic. The Catholic church has been very active lately in studying demons. They have opened up their actresses classes, they're getting more exorcists all over the place. What, what can you tell us about what the Catholic churches is doing on record about this? They've started up Xers and courses. And you know, typically that's been exclusively for for Catholics Catholic priests. And you know very guarded territory. That is not to say that the, the right of actresses on isn't something that you find in other Christian traditions, as well as other traditions other religions right across the board. But, you know, are popular portrayal partly because of the movie the exorcist, what people identify with classic actresses is very much the Roman ritual, they've opened their doors to not merely Catholic at this point. They are concerned enough by a rise in what they believe to be genuine cases of possession across the globe that they want to arm more than just their priests, which is unpaid. Precedent. That's huge news as an no actually lately. Not something that has ever happened before. I mean when, when I'd seen the news about it, I started like digging around the internet because, of course, we live in the world where you have to, like, find five different citations for something that you read on any new seed to make sure that it's actually really true. That's term you right. I, I have to look at these things now ten times before I go on the year with it going is this real? I've got a couple of sources that are you know impeccable, but you still never know especially on the internet. Yeah. And so, like double checking and double checking and double checking, but, you know, it's. Is a week long Vatican course and it's an international series on, I think the title was exercises in the pro liberation and it's what three hundred euros or so. So what is that is probably three sixty on on four hundred dollars. Not, not a lot to be really nice ride at all for, for, like, the, the level of instruction. I guess they give you a certificate to write your certified. I would imagine something that proves that you are, who you are. Yeah. And that's that's important. That's actually one of the reasons why I resist calling myself a Manala just I've got the, the scholarly background. But again, there's just so many people who just kind of put on the book, Kate at basically, the problem is having set in on some things that were pretty Harry, that is not something, I would suggest anybody tried to do after reading just one book, like that's dangerous territory. Not just for the person who they're trying to help, but for anybody else in that room. Go ahead. Well, why do you think the Catholic church opened up these these courses and certifications to other people who are non Catholic? Well, first of all, I think we've got a pretty fantastic pope, who's progressive, and open minded, and on top of that, the demon allergists with the church have been really kind of pounding the drums of where in a time, where things are getting intents. And I think it only makes sense about point to be or more ecumenical about it. Well that could be absolutely now. Originally, what created demons possessions, was, it wasn't mainstream religion. How did it start in the first place? And I'm talking about back since the beginning of time. If we go back to simmer Babylon, their idea of possession, which is, oh, one for one what we had advised possession possessed person. First of all the things that in a fight is Damon's were non human entities that were intelligent and malevolent and expressly focused on disrupting the the human fear. They were bringers of chaos and disease and destruction. They were often personified as this massive forces of nature, but, you know, took particular interest in individuals, they would overshadow them I 'cause illness, but ultimately, try to call into their skin, like get into the person, and then record through the person. The methods of driving that out fascinating Lee. We see an echo in. The Jared scene demoniac in. I think it's in Luke. And in Mark everybody knows this section out of the bible, because it's where I am legion comes from, and it's the fellow who Jesus comes across him. And he's got a legion of demons in Jesus. Ultimately the man's name they answer the legion. And Jesus cast them out into her swine, which then go careening off a cliff in and presumably killing the demons. The, the time period that the culture that that occurs in those folks would recognize that as a very classic method of extra schism, because that's how it was done all the way back to simmer and Babylon day would get the name of the possessing entity. They would drive out, usually into a substitute often an animal sometimes figuring, but usually something like a pig or a goat that would then be sacrificed. Thereby killing the demon. That was caught in it. 'cause you really didn't want to do that to the person. Right. Right. I mean there is a possibility. You could end up killing the person trying to get the demon. And that's one of the reasons why actresses has been a very controversial thing because sometimes that has happened. It has happened on record. It has been a result in instances, where were the folks performing their schism felt very firm that what they were doing was right. You know, having having father Bob about a couple of things, the folks who are possessed or who are manifesting all of signs being possessed do not go quietly and can get violence. And so I, I can understand why there are circumstances where people are held down or Caisley bound and tied down because, you know, Frank. They one of the signs of demonic possession, because the Catholic church used to be very strict and I think, still is they have a checklist of things that a person has to manifest for them to identify identified as genuine possession. You know, obviously psycho, psychological and psychiatric issues have ruled out and you know, those are psychiatrists are involved stays with, with assessing it. But, you know, a person will exhibit strengths that is beyond their, their mortal frame, and, you know, that's that's right there on the checklist glossy, which is. Speaking in tongues exhibiting languages that they never had exposure to that. They had no opportunity, learn exhibiting knowledge, because the things that we believe were dealing with their they're smarter than your average bear. That's for sure. Yeah. They're, they're, they're more. Tuned into things and will come up with some of the stuff comes out of their mouth in the middle of stuff, but which I can attest what creates the possession in the first place. I mean what did they do to get their guard down? There's a lot of different opinions on that, if you go back to, to the roots of western demon allergy in the tradition of possession, and extra schism. Sometimes nothing at all. Like you just pulled the short straw, something you caught something's attention. And maybe you were just not feeling well enough that week. Maybe you didn't prepare the right God. But sometimes it's just bad things happen to good people. Now we've moved forward here. And now there's generally the idea that somehow you invited in that there's some lap in with a ouija board, maybe. Well. Some of the most convincing letting things in I also back on one of the ones that I said in on on this was this was an instance, that father Bob was involved in, and I will say that, in my opinion, that there was definitely possessing today, the individual had a history of drugs, and alcohol, and so addiction was a significant issue for him. And it was the opinion not merely father Bob, but also also the psychologist who was working with us that, that was the that was a crack that let this start to get into his life. And I find that honestly much more credible crack than just picking up a cursed item or whatnot. Could be. Now, you also have you still have this haunted house? It's the coziness haunting. So I, I trained people who are what's coziness taunting. So it's, it's a house that was it sixty nine hundred seventy and it's. Had a series of owners. Many of whom live thirty forty years like they, they lived, and they died in the houses in the house, and they are, in my thing that goes to that house of people who simply loved it too much to want to leave. They're not violent they're not negative. They're intelligent. And it was the the best haunting. I could find as kind of a place for psychic training wheels for so who are working with spiritual learning to discern the difference between a negative haunting haunting who are learning to assess their own abilities. Is the safest thing I could find. But you enjoy it, obviously. Yeah, actually, I you know, spend some time getting to know the people who, who were, there is a relaxing. I find it interesting, I suppose it's not everybody's Cup of tea. I've I was raised in a family where we're abilities came down on both sides in so spirits weren't necessarily a weird or scary thing growing up. You know, finding that there are certainly much nastier things out there than, you know, just, you know did on EDNA who just has never left upstairs. That's, that's a very different thing. But, you know, the house picked up an overland is. Not everything needs to be driven out. And, you know, I, I have a very firm stance on that was actually, one of the things that Lorraine and I sometimes. Disagreed on professionally, I really didn't think that everything needs to be cast out of a house or, or anything like in some cases. Sometimes are deadlocked once come back to watch over us. And you know, it's their choice to come back and they're not causing any trouble actor there to help the problem being that your person can't tell the difference, and isn't necessarily prepared to, to deal with the manifestation of paranormal, it's scary, even if it is, well, intentioned, do you travel, much Michelle to various locations? Less than I used to nothing. I'm. I guess I'm getting studying my old age. That I picked inspiration house was I, I really wanted to have the opportunity to have students come to me, rather than have to go all over the place, but we'll still go. There are several teams that I work with. And if the need arises, and if I'm a good fit for what they need. I I will travel. Well travel is, of course, important to the people who need your help, because there aren't a lot of people like you that have that ability to investigate in. I probably assume you cleanser house to can't Cantu. Yeah. Yeah. I do I work with the religious background of the folks who live in a house, and that was another thing that, like, really, I respected with the war, and, you know, they were Catholic and Lorraine when was Catholic till the day, she breeding business, one thing they were all business and one of the things that they highly valued was working with the religious system of the client. It was an immensely respectable stance. Because, you know, the language of belief is different around the globe. But the belief itself like human impulse to recognize something. Bigger than ourselves. That's something that unites us all. And so they would go in and I did the same like you go in and you find.