Jesus, John Three, Paradise Paradise discussed on Science Salon
You know when we're thinking back that far that long ago you know we have this problem with the curse of knowledge that we already know stuff and it's hard to not know it so we can get our minds into the heads of those people in think even though you can read what they said. It's so hard to know if we really get what they were thinking. Part of the problem is that this was something most people think of is that a big problem is when we don't read them in their original languages. Right we're we're reading. Of course what translators upset putting them into English but these translators were also influenced by modern ways of thinking so the where do they actually translate the words resonate with us and in a way that it would not have made sense in it in an ancient context? And so. That's the argument for having to learn. These languages are see how it works in the ancient languages. Yeah yeah the other problem you face you discuss in your book is understanding what regular people thought about all this stuff versus the people that actually wrote something which are the elite you. Yeah no I mean it'd be It's you know every yet ninety nine percent of the we know our literate on some level the almost every I think everybody I know can read the sports page In the ancient world it wasn't that way at all literacy was was a maybe ten percent and most of the ancient world and which ninety percent of people couldn't read and being ten percent you had to be fairly wealthy and one of the elite and moreover when you learn how to compose rioting then you're at the very top of that ten percents of the top one percent maybe co something and the top point zero one percent of the ones that compose anything that we would read today. Almost and those people are not like normal people. I you know you're not going to really understand of our. What are you? You're not gonNA understand what what The normal person. Thanks by reading. You know Stephen Hawking's or something I mean it's like you get this a but he's the writer and so you so the question haven't in Hell is. We know at the Leeds thought we know what some of the It's hard to know what the average person thought and just about the only access we have to. What the average person thought material remains In other words Things that archaeologists have discovered a tomb. And they'll find the fine things that have been buried with the person and so then they have to guess. What does this mean that they buried things that the person and they come up with these gases but they're just guessing you don't know right now some woman's buried with her cooking pots and so they say oh so they must think she's going to have to cook and you know maybe or maybe like you just commemorating her by giving putting your favorite things with her when she don't know right but apart from that there's not there's not much you can say about it except there are? There are too many scriptures. I mentioned this in my book We do have inscriptions on tombs and sometimes those are helpful one of the most interesting Roman tomb inscription so Roman language. Latin Used an abbreviation like today for years people who've done R I P rest in peace. You know they might put that on a tombstone In the Latin world they had a seven letter abbreviation that was and F F and S and sea and it stood for Latin words for I was not I was I am not I care. Not Modern in his in his thinking actually. Yeah it's very it is at its I know there were there. Were there were people who were not aligned with. Plato thought that this is the end of the story. You you you dispersion disperses it disperses and you don't exist anymore and this tombstone is your courage with such regularity. It looks like a more popular belief. Maybe even the idea that your soul lived on but I was reading that portion in your book about the woman buried with their pots and pans. It reminded me of self deprecating story. My philosophy professor told me Nineteen seventy two. I think it was when I was still born again and I was having debates with him about all this stuff and he said he used to make fun of you know people would go by. Go by cemetery Lee flowers for their loved ones and then when he was on a trip in the Far East in the in the Far East t he went to some cemetery where they were leaving bowls of rice so he he made a little joke with his his his tour guide their well injured guy coming back to eat the rice and the guy said when your guy comes back to smell the flowers very good. Obviously they're doing it for other reasons but so I mean I know you. No one can answer. I assume but a small child say age ten or whatever in Plato's timer or or in Jesus timer whenever asked the question well where? Where's the dog now that he's dead or where to grandma go now that she's gone? What happens to me when I die? But what what do you think? Average people said are thought to questions like that. On average people thought plant has an answer on that. We know about playing a belief in reincarnation at least has mets. Put out the idea of reincarnation and he thought that the symbols that are in humans also are the same kinds of soles that are in animals and that animals and previous life might have been humans and humans might come back as animals and so So mech dog lives on Jesus. Yeah probably not so much. Most ancient Jews thought that humans were the only ones with an element of the divine in them and live on and the others were to be subservient. Women played with this idea. And Heavens on earth that that part of the reason we conceive of an afterlife because you cannot conceive a beam dead too because to conceive of anything you have to be alive so it's like it's like asking somebody to imagine nothing like no universe at all no space time. You can't do it. You can't do it and you're ever since you've had every service and you had a brain that was thinking you've been alive and so how can you possibly know transport yourself into another where you can for me. It's like I had A. I had a small operation couple years ago and they gave me a general and I is out a little bit and I guess some people dream when they have a general that I I was like completely blackout and when I came up came awake again. I thought you know if death is like that then I I mean there was nothing. There wasn't bothered about it right right. Berg is just lights out lights out. That's what I suspect happens. But it's very difficult to conceive of that having never experienced channel Anastasia which no one has before say the late nineteenth century. And that's the problem is that I can't conceive of not being conscious sentient somewhere so and I but I you know it's the paradox of Death. I can look around. I could see people die so something else must happen. You know something must float off the body the brain or whatever and goes somewhere because I can't conceive of it not. Yeah Yeah Yeah yeah well. That's right yeah that's right Yeah that's probably why most people throughout history of I mean majority of people thought something goes on after that and it's got to be as part of you are being human you can't imagine it otherwise. Yeah so let's get to Jesus the Modern Christian. Tout's this scripture John Three sixteen so God so loved the World. He Gave His only begotten Son. So you may have everlasting light. You know they they wear it. They put in football stadiums on posters on on their little blackout for football players. Three sixteen and saw I mean it's like a founding idea if you accept Jesus you get to have eternal life because he died for you and he was resurrected. So you'll be resurrected and so on what did where did this idea really come from. And what did Jesus really think riots? It's very interesting because This this view in Gospel John I don't think it's the view that Jesus himself. The Gospel of John was written sixty or sixty five years after Jesus was dead by somebody who we didn't know him who is Who at a whole different point of view from Jesus? He wasn't somebody who lived in Palate in in Israel and so the question is what is a Jew in Jesus time thanking. What does Jesus actually say about the afterlife? And it's not what people expect About two hundred years before Jesus showed up There was a point of view that got developed in early. Judaism that said that Death is not death is not the end It can't be the end because there's so much injustice in this world and the righteous suffer so much that God cannot leave it at that and they developed this idea that at the end of time God who destroy everything is opposed to him all the forces of evil and he would bring in a utopian age so the idea was that God had created a Paradise Garden of Eden and then people blew it and got bad on worse and worse and worse. But he's got to return us to Paradise Paradise. The Garden of Eden was on her and the new paradise is going to be on earth to This paradise will be A. It'll be like a- a kingdom that God himself rules so it'll be a kingdom on her and so they call it the Kingdom of God and so this is the. This is the teaching the started a couple of hundred years before Jesus and it's the one that he absolutely subscribed to himself. He taught that the Kingdom of God is coming soon and people need to prepare for when Christians today tend to read that or anybody tends to read that they think that when he says well the Kingdom of God they think he means like up in heaven going to got up and he's not talking about going up in heaven he's talking about how God is going to bring a paradise back to Earth. This was the standard view among Jews in Jesus Day. And if you're careful what he has to say it's this standard view has well. That's in mark it's in mark. It's it's an all the sources of markets in Matthew and Luke in our oldest digits wrapping up about the earliest gospels by John. Our latest right Though the new was not that they didn't think that God would only reward the people who were on his side who were alive at the time To be fair he asked reward everybody. Who's been on his side? Who got a bad rap and ended up dying board and so he's going to raise people from the debt and so the doctor. The resurrection was originally. It was a Jewish idea that it's not the your soul and your body are separated from each other. You just one thing. You're not you're not. You're you're one that but at the end of time when God destroys the forces of evil. He's going to put people back he's going to bring life back into people and people will be bodily raised from the dead so they can enter the Kingdom of God.