Tommy Douglas, Canada, United States discussed on Vox's The Weeds

Vox's The Weeds


But the political will was there and to me that still remains a viable path for the United States, right? There was a push to do this in Vermont, and it didn't work. They lost sort of nerve. But we have a lot of states in America. Gavin Newsom be America's Tommy Douglas, Gavin Newsom won't be America's Tommy Douglas. But I he's gonna push single payer big liberal, stay, right? But I mean, he could I just think that that aspect of the process of change is what sort of gun missing from a lot of this. Like, it's not that you're gonna stay. I state do ambitious progressive reforms, but you would expect to see some state that is considerably more left wing in the underlying distribution of public opinion that has stronger than usual labor movement has weaker than usual institutional Republican party to go do some of this kind of stuff and make it work. Right. That take some of the barriers down, and there are state level single payer bills. And there's some specific impediments, you know, that relate to the presidency and stuff like that. But to me like if you really want to see these big reforms happen like you need to organize at the state level, not because it's inherently more virtuous, but because like their Saskatchewan's out there where like ideas that are not gonna fly nationally like you could do in Hawaii or Washington or California or Vermont or someplace like that and less Canadian politics note after this very long reign in office. As the of lost power in the nineteen sixty four election. So like, the basic thing where like you go do crazy stuff, and then everyone freaks out and throws you office. Like that continued to hold their even though this was a successful idea obviously has been copied and now is nationwide in Canada. Like, it's a it's a big political risk the other lesson. I take from like sketch Juan and the ACA think you're right when I've talked to some historians of Canadian healthcare of point out is like this would have not happened. This would have never started at a national level in Canada. Like you needed to see it roll like the opposition from the Canadian medical association, all that would have been much too strong, political consensus wasn't nearly as strong as it wasn't sketch one. But I think one of the things that's really striking to me from both Canada. And from the history of the Affordable Care Act is like once you get it to work in one state the path towards a national plan. It seems to be pretty quick like within a and you didn't have these doctors. Strikes in any of the other provinces than a decade of the sketch Juan plan rolling out and this doctor strike you had this program all across Canada within what like five years of Massachusetts doing Romney care you had ObamaCare once these things like find a beachhead, they seem to like become pretty entrenched pretty quickly. And I think that is why you saw the American Medical cessation going into sketchy on like, you know, opposing this. Because they really did see the writing on the wall little bit that like if this can prove successful in one province in one state. It can really be it can spread very quickly and things can go from controversial to status quo at a pretty rapid clip. Once they take hold. I think as the funnel is one postscript on this in your story. Sarah, Canada, a couple years ago had a poll for the most admired Canadian, and it wasn't you know, hockey. Player or it was Tommy Douglas, and they have four hour bio-pics of him that run on television..

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